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AYP
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 Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 07:31:51 AM
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Hello all!
I'm very interesting in learning the TM Sidhi, but I looked at your site and I got VERY confused, there are so many topics and so many lessons here that it will take me ages to read it all and to understand what to do...
For exactly there are 288 lessons here -
http://www.aypsite.org/MainDirectory.html
What I want is to learn the Sidhi EXACTLY as it is taught by the official sidhi teachers of Maharishi, after that I will go deeper and look for more lessons here, for now, first, I want to learn the sidhi JUST AS if I would learn it from Maharishi teacher.
(By the way I have learned the TM meditation 5 years ago with official TM teacher)
So please help me - where should I start? where can I find the lessons that tells how to do the TM-Sidhi? does it teach EXACTLY what teached in the Maharishi sidhi courses? the same sutras exactly?
Does people who learned sidhi from this site where able to do the yogic flying (the "frog" jumpings)? and to feel the BLISS exactly as a man that learned with a TM teacher feels?
Last questions, if my language is not english, but other language, should I translate the sutras to my own language? or should I say it in english?
Please give me links to where I should begin, also, how much time should it takes? when someone learn sidhi with a TM teacher the course last for about 4-5 weeks, will it takes the same time here?
Thanks! 
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Victor
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 09:05:17 AM
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| I would suggest that if you want to learn the TM Siddhi exactly as taught by the Maharishi then I would go to a TM teacher. AYP may have some similarities to these teachings (I don't really know for sure) but Yogani makes no claims or references to the TM Siddhi program so I am afraid that you will have to look elsewhere. Sorry. |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 09:27:57 AM
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At AYP we don't put value on the siddhis, and don't have a method of teaching anything the same as maharishi. You would have to go here to do that:
http://www.tm.org/
The siddhis are a distraction on the true path, and won't benefit you any more than any other distraction created by maya.
If you want a path that will be to your greatest benefit and enjoyment, start at the beginning of the "main lessons" link above, and forget about "getting special powers". They are something that manifests along the way sometimes but need to be ignored if you want to become enlightened. Money is the least of what it will cost you.
However, if that is the path you choose, then best of luck! |
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yogani
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 10:22:00 AM
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Hi AYP, and welcome!
Very auspicious name you have chosen.
If you purchase the small AYP book called "Samyama - Cultivating Stillness in Action, Siddhis and Miracles," you will have the latest and most condensed information on Samyama practice as taught in AYP. It goes significantly beyond what is contained in the online lessons and previous AYP books. The Samyama book is not expensive and is available in both paperback and ebook formats here: http://www.aypsite.org/books.html
If you decide to get the ebook, the version with the audio introduction is recommended.
As for comparisions with the TM program, sorry, I can't help you with that, except to say that the AYP approach is a lot less expensive (open source) and more flexible in its application. Also, there is no emphasis in AYP on the external performance of siddhis such as yogic flying, though the internal aspects are fully covered.
If it is the TM program you want specifically, then you should go to them for it, as has already been suggested. You will not find a replica of it here. But for mature self-directed practitioners, maybe something better.
Wishing you all the best on your path. Practice wisely, and enjoy!
The guru is in you.
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 1:38:14 PM
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Thanks everyone!
And Yes, I also thought that AYP will be a very original name :)
For now I'm not going to buy any books, first I want to learn the basic from this site.
So let me try one more time, all I want is to feel the BLISS, all I want is to feel Happiness and Joy, as much as possible, I need it so much!
So, where should I start? in the "Main Lessons" you have so many lessons! (288 actually!) I hope that I don't have to read all of them becouse it will take me more then a year to read it all... Also it doesn't look so much like lessons, it's looks more like questions and answers questions and answers..... what the idea behind it? isn't there a place here where I can find only the instructions without so much bla bla around it? (I don't mean to insult anyone...)
Please tell me whare and what should I read and do in order to feel the BLISS as fast as possible.
Thanks!
(By the way why is the window where I write the message SO small and can only show 5 lines of text? it's really very uncomfortable....is it possible to make it larger?)
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Shanti
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 2:50:12 PM
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Hi AYP,
Welcome to the forum.
You can start reading the main lessons from here...
Lesson 10 - Why This Discussion?
Someone else had asked very similar questions. It was discussed here..
Has anyone here learned the TM-Sidhi technique?
.. see if something in this thread will help you.
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(By the way why is the window where I write the message SO small and can only show 5 lines of text? it's really very uncomfortable....is it possible to make it larger?)
There are 2 ways to reply..
One is a window that says "Quick Reply" at the bottom of the screen (which shows you 5 lines of info at a time), and one is by clicking the "Reply to topic" button. If you click on the "Reply to topic" button.. you will get a bigger window to write your reply in. Hope this helps.
Wish You all the best in your path.. |
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weaver
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 3:14:48 PM
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Originally posted by AYP
Please tell me whare and what should I read and do in order to feel the BLISS as fast as possible.
Hi AYP and welcome to the forum!
The technique that we use in AYP to cultivate inner silence, which can lead to bliss, is deep meditation, and it's introduced here: http://www.aypsite.org/13.html
You can read about bliss in relation to meditation here: http://www.aypsite.org/16.html
All the best!
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 5:20:28 PM
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Thanks, can you give me the numbers of all the basic lessons that I need for achieving the same bliss that people are getting using the TM sidhi practice? you said lessons 10, 13, 16, 43 (in the link that Shanti gave me) that's it? where is the explenation for the technique matching to the TM Sidhi? in which lessons can I find it?
Again there are so many lessons here that it's very hard to follow.
Thanks.
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Shanti
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 6:42:56 PM
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Originally posted by AYP
Thanks, can you give me the numbers of all the basic lessons that I need for achieving the same bliss that people are getting using the TM sidhi practice? you said lessons 10, 13, 16, 43 (in the link that Shanti gave me) that's it? where is the explenation for the technique matching to the TM Sidhi? in which lessons can I find it?
Again there are so many lessons here that it's very hard to follow.
Thanks.
Hi AYP,
Do you have any kind of meditation routine that you follow right now? Are you practicing TM right now?
In AYP we start from the beginning.. deep meditation.. Lesson 13 - Meditation -- Awakening the Silent Seed
Once you settle into that (which could be from a week to 6 months maybe more).. we add Spinal Breathing Pranayama..
Lesson 39 - Pranayama – Cultivating the soil of the nervous system
Lesson 41 - Pranayama – Spinal Breathing
Once you are comfortable with that.. you may or may not add various mudras and bandhas..
Later, when you can feel some inner silence coming up.. you can add samyama..
Lesson 76 - Q&A – Siddhis: Are powers real?
Lesson 149 - The eight limbs of yoga, and samyama – Melting the darkness
Lesson 150 - Samyama practice
If you ask me.. I would still suggest you read from the first lesson I pointed out to you.. Lesson 10 - Why This Discussion? This will explain to you, how to use the lessons most effectively and what AYP is all about.
If however, you are good at meditation and do have some inner silence, and are really only interested in samyama.. go to the topic index and you can click on these lessons to learn more about samyama..
Samyama - 76, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 176, 184, 221, 243, 264, 269.
Hope this helps.
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AYPforum
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Posted - Apr 07 2007 : 11:37:44 PM
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 11:20:10 AM
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I don't understand in what way this forum is better than the original one that I posted the questions to? ("Satsang Cafe - Newcomer questions are welcome!")
Shanti, thanks very much for the tips, I started to read it, but I still find it very confusing that the lessons are in a format of questions and answers (kind of 'FAQ') and that there is so much bla bla around it, tons of text, which make it very hard to find the instructions themself, I know that you will not change the site now just becouse of me, but I just think that it will be much easier if there will be one separated section here that will contain only the instractions: 1. do that... 2. do that.... 3. do that....
As it is now it's seems like everything in the lessons is mixed up all together with lot of theoretic explanations which are really very interesting but it's not what I'm looking for right now.
But I guess that I have no other choise but to read it all.... well.
Thanks again for the help.
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weaver
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 12:49:07 PM
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Thanks weaver, but it looks a little different than the lessons numbers that Shanti gave me before for the 'sidhi' which where:
Samyama - 76, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 176, 184, 221, 243, 264, 269.
Right now I'm practicing the TM meditation routine (5 years already) and I want at this point to learn ONLY the lessons which are explening the technique that matching the best to the TM Sidhi of Maharishi.
So, if you can tell me which are the lessons here that are exactly the ones that I need for the sidhi, it will help me a lot!
After I'll finish with that I will consider more lessons, but everything in it's time, let's not rush.
Thanks!
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weaver
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 1:08:14 PM
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Hi AYP,
Yes, I just listed all the main lessons for general AYP practice.
I don't have any knowledge about the TM Sidhi technique of Maharishi, so it would probably be best if you see yourself which lessons might be applicable. For this purpose I think the links that Shanti gave you would be a better selection.
Actually, I think I have heard, from those who have practiced the TM Sidhi technique, that it is in essence almost identical to the AYP Samyama technique, presented in Lesson 150: http://www.aypsite.org/150.html but it could be that the sutras used are different. But in Samyama, one is free to choose one's own sutras. If you want to use the same sutras as they do in TM, then you will need to find them from a practitioner of TM Sidhi.
I should emphasize though, that in order for Samyama to work, there needs to be a certain amount of inner silence in our system, cultivated through deep meditation: http://www.aypsite.org/13.html |
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weaver
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 1:35:28 PM
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Hi again weaver, You are right! I have just read for the first time lesson 150 (Samyama practice) and as far as I know it is EXACTLY the TM-Sidhi :)) it's not a big problem to find the sidhi sutras in the internet I already saw them in some sites, I also read lesson 151 (Samyama: Settling in with your sutras) and the following lessons which explain it in more details.
I know that I have to read this lessons for several times in order to understand it good, but I think that it will help me if you can answer some questions that I'm having right now after first reading:
1. What is the different between thinking my mantra in the first 20 minutes, and thinking the sutras? I'm not sure that I understood that.
2. I did not understood sutras 9 "Akasha – Lightness of Air", should I think of the word "Akasha"? (which means nothing to me) or should I think "Lightness of Air" (like a helium??)
3. The second sutra is "Radiance", when I think of this word I get only negative connection/meaning such as nuclear radiation, or Radiance going out of the solar phones. Should I still use it?
Thanks!
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 1:39:15 PM
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Thanks for the 2 additional links, I'm reading them right now.
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weaver
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 1:53:29 PM
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Hi AYP,
You are welcome! I'm glad you found the right lesson for the technique.
1. The main difference between Deep Meditation and Samyama deals with meaning:
Meditation: no meaning involved, just repeat the mantra.
Samyama: pick up the sutra once very faintly mentally, and let it be associated with meaning, then let it fade into silence.
Remember, this is only a very condensed interpretation, and not complete. Refer to the lessons for a complete description.
2. In sutra 9 you use the whole sentence: "Akasha – Lightness of Air".
3. Since meaning is important in Samyama, if a certain word gives you a meaning that seems wrong to you, then you can choose a word that associates it with the meaning that feels right for you. For example, if English is not one's native language, then it's better to use one's native language.
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Shanti
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 5:01:30 PM
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weaver and Shanti Thanks again
I just read now the thread "Samyama, picking up word or not?" where weaver has asked some very interesting questions... but, I still don't understand how should I repeat or thinking the sutras in my head, can you please try to describe it in simple words and as clearer as you can? It can help me a lot
Also, I would like very much to hear from people who tried it, what did you feel when you first started practicing it? did you really felt the bliss feeling? how did it feel? is your body hopping when you do the flying sutra? do you know anyone here that learned it only from this site and was hopping during this practice?
Thanks!
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weaver
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 5:36:20 PM
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Originally posted by AYP
... I still don't understand how should I repeat or thinking the sutras in my head, can you please try to describe it in simple words and as clearer as you can? It can help me a lot
You are welcome! Have you studied Lesson 150 carefully? If not, I think that's the best way to understand how Samyama works and is to be practiced. If you have, then I would need a more specific question, because I don't know how to describe the process with better or simpler words myself. Sorry. |
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AYP
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Posted - Apr 08 2007 : 6:27:07 PM
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Thanks, I'll try to read it several more times.
In the meantime, can someone answer the other questions in my last post please?
Thanks!
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