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CarsonZi
Canada
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 Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 7:14:27 PM
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Hi Christi,
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Originally posted by Christi
As for walking in someone else's footsteps, that is certainly not something you need to do. But taking advice from others who have walked the same path you are on, and who are able to warn you about some of the pitfalls in the road ahead, is often a wise thing to do.
I mean this with the utmost respect, but it is statements like the above that make it hard for me to glean much from your posts. Anyone who thinks that they have "walked the same path" as another is still struggling with clear perception. Each path is entirely unique.
All the best. 
Love,
Carson |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 9:58:08 PM
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Only the surface is unique. The core is the same (and also the general structure).
On a hand, every person has unique fingerprints, but there's five fingers no matter whose hand it is. Bones underneath, and the Spirit of Oneness is even deeper, yet touching the surface somehow.
That's why it's easy to predict the general trajectory of someone's path--because though the details on the surface are different--the underlying principles and structure of the journey are the same. Why do you think Yogani is so emphatic about cause and effect? Because the universal essences inform and shape the unique details. Ideas (sutras) come before their appearances--and outlast their manifestations by a long shot!
True, we have to customize and tailor to our unique needs at the moment, but the general principles can be applied across the board.
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 10:05:52 PM
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Totally disagree Bodhi. But that's part of what makes every path unique. 
All the best.
Love,
Carson |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 10:14:10 PM
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What about just partially disagreeing? Must you disagree in totality? That seems to have such ominous implications. 
Hehehe...kidding. I totally disagree with certain points too. So actually, I can totally relate to your unique path, having experienced the sensation of total disagreement. 
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Pheel
China
318 Posts |
Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 11:20:30 PM
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Hi Carson,
Sorry for not being able to offer anything helpful on this.
Can only say I Love you and will pray for you, bro!
Phil |
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Running Water
Belgium
18 Posts |
Posted - Dec 31 2014 : 07:00:27 AM
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Hi Carson,
Just for fun. Read Some of the quotes of my favorite philosopher
http://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Heraclitus
And you'll recognitie a lot .
Running Water
(Is my name )
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Running Water
Belgium
18 Posts |
Posted - Dec 31 2014 : 08:10:07 AM
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| Recognize Of course, sorry. |
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Anima
484 Posts |
Posted - Dec 31 2014 : 10:21:54 AM
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Self-pace with Heraclitus, guys!
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 31 2014 : 1:15:58 PM
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Hi Bodhi,
Okay, you got me... I don't TOTALLY disagree, hahaha.
While I agree that the "core" of everyone/thing is the same, I do not agree that this means that the trajectory of all paths are easy to predict. I do agree that the underlying principles are the same (we're all ultimately working towards seeing ourselves clearly) but how this is achieved appears entirely unique from where I sit.
This is why, IMO, AYP forum participation sees such a "turnover"... why many of posters from years gone by often drop away and don't continue to engage here as much once they get deeper into their paths... because AYP is a good stepping stone to becoming conscious to your own path but eventually the walls (all walls) have to come down and we have to fully face the unknowns of our own unique path. In other words, eventually all guidebooks have to be discarded and we have to walk the unknown alone.
Hi Pheel,
I love you too, and honestly there is no need for advice here so no worries on that!
My main reasons for posting this thread were to:
1. See if anyone else is having 10minute long orgasms
2. See if anyone else has had the hands/forehead start on fire during orgasm experience
3. See if others thought I should go get my heart checked by an MD because it sounds like I could have an issue.
My takeaway so far, based on the responses in this thread, is that I'm mostly alone in the 10 minute long orgasm department, I burned myself through overdoing (resulting in the firey hands/head), and I'm probably not in danger of dying from heart failure during sex unless I really overdo it again.
So... thank you for your love, I love you too, and I hope we get to embrace in the physical again someday soon. 
Hi Running Water (is your name ),
While I had heard of Heraclitus before, I have never read anything by him. Let me just say, this guy knows what's up! Hahaha. Actually, almost everything that is written in the Wiki page you linked, is stuff that my two bro's and me wrote in "The Book of Zi" back in 1997/8/9. A central tenant to our religion of Zi was to "Flow like Water" and this seems to be, if the wiki article is a good representation of Heraclitus's work, what he is saying as well. Thank you for sharing H with me, I now plan to start checking him out in more detail soon. 
Love,
Carson
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 31 2014 : 5:12:13 PM
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Thank you for meeting me halfway, Carson!
I know what you mean about the "turnover" factor in the AYP forum. Ultimately, any group needs faces. The faces, and unique personalities beneath them, bring about a fullness, a completeness--that honors the solitary aspect of our path. That's why I'm putting my face in front of AYP with "AYP for Recovery" (no anonymity on my end!), and "AYP Tampa" will be next. I think the more "satelites" we form around the central, faceless knowledge base, the more we will see a lasting legacy. In short, AYP needs more faces.
Yogani is almost like a black hole in need of galaxies and planets to give his vortex some palpable presence in the universe. That why he has the open-source style of transmission and is literally giving this stuff away for free. All we have to do is make it visible!
Knowledge of practices is powerful, but what is more powerful is applying those practices and then blossoming into a unique expression of divinity, of which the knowledge has helped nurture.
I know you are not practicing formally (but still are practicing in your own way by virtue of BEING). I still have a regular routine, and this forum is where I fine-tune, corroborate, and validate my progress along the way. Who knows how long I will post regularly, but at least I want to do my part by putting my unique spin on AYP, and presenting that to the public, for the purpose of spreading the good news, the good vibrations, the good uniqueness.  |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4379 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 03:36:51 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by CarsonZi
Hi Christi,
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
As for walking in someone else's footsteps, that is certainly not something you need to do. But taking advice from others who have walked the same path you are on, and who are able to warn you about some of the pitfalls in the road ahead, is often a wise thing to do.
I mean this with the utmost respect, but it is statements like the above that make it hard for me to glean much from your posts. Anyone who thinks that they have "walked the same path" as another is still struggling with clear perception. Each path is entirely unique.
All the best.
Love,
Carson
Hi Carson,
Even though each individual is unique we all have the same subtle nervous system. This is why it is possible for people to give others advice on the path.
Imagine 10 people driving across the Sahara desert. 5 of them set out with a days supply of water. The other 5 set out with 7 days supply of water. Each person will drive across the desert in their own unique way according to their individual personality and driving skills. But generally, the one's who set out with 7 days of water will make it to the other side. The others, generally, won't.
So the general advice to set out with 7 days of water supply (at least) is a good one to follow.
In the case of crossing the Sahara desert, it would be best to take advice from someone else who has already driven across the Sahara desert, because they would know what was safe and what was dangerous. In other words, their perception would be clearer.
In your case, what you are doing is not safe, and many can see that, which is why people are praying for you and your family.
Just some food for thought, and happy new year.
All the best.
Christi
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maheswari
Lebanon
2516 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 06:02:40 AM
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hello Carson
I don't think I m the best person to give you advice especially that.I feel you consider me too mainstream
but I do care about you and i feel that Christi posts really nailed it ...
I would suggest that you sit for few minutes only in silent meditation followed by 10 min of rest...try it and see if you want to keep it or not
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 11:51:13 AM
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Hi Christi,
Can you please clarify how I am being "not safe" please?
Thanks,
Carson |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 12:06:46 PM
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Hi Maheswari,
I don't consider you anything other than a friend. I've come to a point where I can accept that the path each person has chosen is the right path for them and I feel no right to try and direct someone this way or that. I have even come to a point where I can accept that my parents/family's path (which is a "born again Christian" path) is the right one for them. And that's big for me as I used to feel that they HAD to switch paths in order to "wake up."
Now I don't concern myself with trying to help other people "get on the right path" and focus solely on walking my own path and living a life overflowing with love and acceptance. :)
Love,
Carson |
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amuhai
USA
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Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 4:28:39 PM
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Carson,
Why does Christi think what you are doing is not safe …..and why are people praying for you?
The answer may lie in what you wrote to open this post...
“….Just wanted to see if anyone else has experience with/experienced an orgasm in which they felt like they were right on the precipice of heart (or even just general body) failure.
For reference, the "style" of orgasms I have been experiencing for the last several years are like nothing I have never ever heard another talk about... not in any community, including the tantra community. The orgasms usually last around 10 minutes and are characterized by all manner of dramatic kriyas, automatic breathing, mudras/bandhas and concluding with uncontrollable laughter. We often joke about making a comedy porno just because of how ridiculous it looks and what kind of reactions people would have.
Anyway, I had an orgasm yesterday that was bar none, the most intense, and scariest, orgasm I have ever had. There was a very long build up, over an hour I believe and when I finally orgasmed there was a "flood" that filled all aspects of "me" and the flow was so strong that my physical hands and forehead felt like they were literally on fire. I broke into a full body sweat as soon as the flood hit my third eye chakra (wasn't sweaty at all before) and there was a literal puddle of sweat that appeared on the third eye (I was laying on my back).
If I had sat up, I am 100% certain I would have passed out, if not worse. I very much feel/felt like I was on the edge of heart (or other organ) failure and was very aware that I was in a dangerous physical position.....”
The bold italicized highlights from your narrative indicate unsafeness and possible danger. Christi, Bodhi, Mahewari and others are trying to be of help. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2015 : 5:37:28 PM
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If that is what I'm doing to be "unsafe," is the suggestion to stop having ecstatic/tantric sex and become celibate or start having ejaculatory orgasms? Sorry for my confusion.
Love,
Carson |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4379 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 1:30:05 PM
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quote:
Hi Christi,
Can you please clarify how I am being "not safe" please?
Thanks,
Carson
Hi Carson,
As I mentioned in my post above, with kundalini happening in the body, some things can be experienced such as sweating for no reason at all, or the heart beating very fast for no obvious reason. This can happen especially when there is a "trigger" of some sort which could be tantric sex, or spiritual practices, or a strong emotional experience. All of that is not dangerous and is simply an aspect of the process of awakening.
But if you are practising tantric sex to the point where you fear you may rupture a major organ, then that is not safe. As someone mentioned above, people do die during sex. Personally I would recommend stopping short of the "rupturing a major organ" stage. I expect most doctors would too, but you could always check that out with one.
But more seriously, what I feel you are doing that is not safe is taking things to extremes. In yoga there is a saying: "speak little, sleep little, eat little". It could also be written as "everything in moderation" or as Yogani puts it: "Less is more".
With kundalini, many things, taken to extreme, can fry the nervous system. So engaging in spiritual practices to the extreme is dangerous, as are things like exercising in an extreme fashion or engaging in extreme sexual practices. So overdoing practices to the point where you cannot even meditate for 2 years is an extreme. Exercising until you vomit is extreme and could have a detrimental effect on your nervous system when you are already living on a knife edge in terms of spiritual purification. Engaging in sexual activities that make you feel you could die is also extreme and could also have a detrimental effect on your subtle nervous system over the long term.
Basically, even someone who overdoes things with spiritual practices for a while, can usually bring about stability within a relatively short period in order to be able to continue with their practices if they wanted to. That short period would be in the region of days or weeks at most. Generally it is only if someone continues to aggravate things that that stability is not found. It does look from here as if you are keeping yourself in a destabilized condition, whether consciously or unconsciously, and doing that over the long term can be detrimental to the subtle nervous system.
Of course, not everyone wants to find stability in order to be able to engage in spiritual practice. That is up to the individual. Whatever you decide to do in terms of your sexual practices is really your call and will depend largely on that.
All the best,
Christi
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 1:43:14 PM
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Hi Christi,
What you don't seem to understand is that actively doing spiritual practices is what destabilizes me (now). To continue to do spiritual practices at this point is asking to unbalance myself. I have never been more emotionally, energetically and spiritually balanced than I am right now. Even after such an extreme overdoing of energy practices (tantra) I was literally not-overloaded even the next morning. In the past I would have been unbalanced easily for a month or more.
So, for you and others to insist that I go back to active spiritual practices just shows rigidity and lack of flexibility from my perspective. Similar to a fundamentalist Christian being adamant that others will go to hell unless they identify, believe and act the same way they do. Not for me thanks.
All the best.
Love,
Carson
Edit: So just to reiterate exactly why I started this thread:
1. To see if anyone else is having 10minute long orgasms
2. To see if anyone else has had the hands/forehead start on fire during orgasm experience
3. To see if others thought I should go get my heart checked by an MD because it sounds like I could have an issue.
NOT asking to be told that I am walking my path incorrectly and should be doing this that or some other thing. I am more than comfortable being the judge of how my path needs to be adjusted and currently feel no need to start adding or subtracting aspects to/from it. Cheers |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Jan 02 2015 2:27:43 PM |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4379 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 5:51:51 PM
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Hi Carson,
What I am talking about is stability, rather than overload symptoms. If someone is unable to sit in meditation, even for a few minutes each day, without experiencing problems it is because they are unstable. Even if they feel fine in daily life, that underlying instability is there, preventing them form engaging in spiritual practices if they wanted to.
Fuelling the fire (in any way), can cause that instability to continue for as long as the fire continues to be fuelled. When the fire is not fuelled then stability can return. With effective grounding practices and not engaging in practices that are known to excessively fuel the fire, stability can be found and spiritual practices can be started again. This has been the experience for many people. Of course, nobody has to engage in spiritual practice if they don't want to and everyone has a choice.
I have not noticed anyone insisting that you do anything at all. Just some helpful suggestions from some caring people. So any analogies with religious fundamentalists seem a bit out of place.
As to your original question it is not uncommon to have orgasms that last for 10 minutes or more. In fact as the process of spiritual purification unfolds the orgasmic state becomes more and more natural and continuous. Orgasm stops being something we experience some of the time, but rather something we experience all of the time. This is a gradual process whereby we find ourselves in an orgasmic state spontaneously at times throughout the day and those times become increasingly frequent and extended. Sexual essences are being drawn up through the body and continuously recycled.
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 6:32:03 PM
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Hi Christi,
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
What I am talking about is stability, rather than overload symptoms. If someone is unable to sit in meditation, even for a few minutes each day, without experiencing problems it is because they are unstable.
No it isn't. It could be, but to say that it IS, is not true. Especially not for me. When I meditate I get locked into "big picture mode"... this is not healthy for me as my path is to be in the body and attentive to subtle cues of Life (now). Being locked into the "Oneness" perspective has me bypassing important parts of the human life/experience I have been blessed with (they are my teacher/guru). And now that I can recognize that, I am able to let go of trying to match my path to anyone else's. You can believe this or not, you can argue this is untrue or not, but the fact of the matter is that you can't know. So please stop trying to tell me that you know my path and the direction I should be headed in better than my own inner guru does. You don't, you can't.
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Originally posted by Christi
....any analogies with religious fundamentalists seem a bit out of place.
Anyone who continues to say "I know what's best for you and it is what has working for me" is comparable to a fundamentalist IMO. From where I sit the analogy was apropos. If the statement holds no emotional charge for you then it probably wasn't warranted. Only you can know.
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Originally posted by Christi
As to your original question it is not uncommon to have orgasms that last for 10 minutes or more.
If by "not uncommon" you mean that you personally have them, then perhaps I can agree. So far, no one else has responded to this thread saying that they are having 10 minute long orgasms so that would more likely than not have most people giving them an "uncommon" distinction.
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
In fact as the process of spiritual purification unfolds the orgasmic state becomes more and more natural and continuous. Orgasm stops being something we experience some of the time, but rather something we experience all of the time.
Yes, I know. This is yet another reason why I don't continue with active spiritual practices. I am prone to long, unprovoked, unending orgasms, (written about this many times here at AYP) and even after it settled into near-constant orgasmic "bliss" I still found that it was pulling me away from the here and now and *decreasing* present moment awareness not increasing it. Another reason why I say spiritual practices cause me to trend towards imbalance.
Love,
Carson
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 7:37:38 PM
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As a side note, I should probably thank you Christi as you have helped to show me a few areas in which I still have work to do. I had a couple of "stirrings" when reading your posts over the past few days which has helped to highlight some personal tendencies I was not 100% fully aware of. Thank you for helping bring those to light.
Love,
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - Jan 02 2015 : 11:30:44 PM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
If that is what I'm doing to be "unsafe," is the suggestion to stop having ecstatic/tantric sex and become celibate or start having ejaculatory orgasms? Sorry for my confusion.
Love,
Carson
Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.
BTW, sorry for not responding about the 10-minute orgasm. I assumed you were asking the men, given that orgasm is very different for women to begin with. For me, I have "orgasm" that can last an hour or more during tantric sex, but the energy is flowing upward and seems to come out the top of the head, so not sure if you would technically call that an "orgasm" per se. And I walk around in sort of an orgasmic state much of the time. My husband also seems to experience extended "orgasm" without ejaculation. I will ask him how long it lasts and get back to you.
As for "stop having ecstatic/tantric sex," it's become so completely natural for us that I can't imagine going back to regular old-fashioned sex. It actually takes effort and concentration if I want to have a "regular orgasm" these days because the energy automatically goes up the spine. If we had to stop for some reason (heart health, energy problems, or whatever) I would probably just be celibate. "Ordinary sex" lost its appeal years ago.
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Christi
United Kingdom
4379 Posts |
Posted - Jan 03 2015 : 08:23:28 AM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
As a side note, I should probably thank you Christi as you have helped to show me a few areas in which I still have work to do. I had a couple of "stirrings" when reading your posts over the past few days which has helped to highlight some personal tendencies I was not 100% fully aware of. Thank you for helping bring those to light.
Love,
Carson
You're welcome.
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Jan 03 2015 : 08:59:27 AM
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Hi Radharani,
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Originally posted by Radharani
BTW, sorry for not responding about the 10-minute orgasm. I assumed you were asking the men, given that orgasm is very different for women to begin with.
No worries, you're right... I was mostly meaning to query the male populace here simply because of the difference between male and female orgasms. My wife also has super long/multiple orgasms, sometimes lasting for the entire love-making session, so I was aware that this is possible, and more common for women.
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Originally posted by Radharani
For me, I have "orgasm" that can last an hour or more during tantric sex, but the energy is flowing upward and seems to come out the top of the head, so not sure if you would technically call that an "orgasm" per se. And I walk around in sort of an orgasmic state much of the time. My husband also seems to experience extended "orgasm" without ejaculation. I will ask him how long it lasts and get back to you.
Yeah, I'm mostly talking about the physical component of orgasm and not so much about the energy aspect. If I "go inside" or even just focus my attention on the subtle energies, I instantly take a giant step towards being in an orgasmic state (I don't let myself go there though for the reasons stated to Christi in my last post) so I was trying to sort of separate the different "layers" of orgasm and talk mostly about the physical aspect.
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Originally posted by Radharani
As for "stop having ecstatic/tantric sex," it's become so completely natural for us that I can't imagine going back to regular old-fashioned sex.
Exactly. That's why I was asking for clarification as to whether or not this was the actual suggestion being given... doesn't really seem possible to me to start having "regular sex" again.
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Originally posted by Radharani
It actually takes effort and concentration if I want to have a "regular orgasm" these days because the energy automatically goes up the spine.
Same here. The day after I started this post I had/tried to have an external orgasm for probably the first time in 2014 and there still wasn't any ejaculate that came out.
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Originally posted by Radharani
If we had to stop for some reason (heart health, energy problems, or whatever) I would probably just be celibate. "Ordinary sex" lost its appeal years ago.
Pretty sure I couldn't be celibate. I can definitely say that it would be very very challenging.
Love,
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machart
USA
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Posted - Jan 03 2015 : 6:40:21 PM
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