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Posted - Dec 07 2014 :  12:08:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit yogani's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mrityunjay:

I agree that a heavier diet will help reduce the kundalini energy flow. This advice I have given to you in the past, and it is in Lesson 69 as well. The Ayurveda diet for pacifying vata and pitta is good, but it should be on the heavy side to help slow down the energy flow. Animal foods are included as an option in the AYP Ayruveda diet charts (also found in expanded versions in the AYP Easy Lessons Vol 2 and Diet Shatkarmas & Amaroli books).

After all this time and so much energy trouble, I don't see why you have been so intent on energy practices, light diet, celibacy and other methods that increase kundalini flow. It seems obvious that you should be going the other way, with moderation.

I do not agree that you should discontinue your PhD studies if this is what you enjoy. Your life is your own and no one should be telling you what to do with it. If something is not working, then with good information, it is up to you to make necessary changes. If that means slowing down or discontinuing your math studies, taking a sabbatical, that should be your decision, not anyone else's.

The advice given to you to keep a quiet mind sounds good in theory, but there is the old saying the "an idle mind is the devil's workshop." So enjoyable work and recreation (physical, mental and emotional) are good. It can be grounding if there is moderation and not obsessing all the time, about spiritual matters and energies in the body especially.

We have been corresponding in email off and on since 2009 about obsession with math competition, about porn, doing more than AYP recommended pranayama/mudra/bandha, about digestive and elimination and other stress-related health issues, about left and right side energy balance issues, etc. The opinion here is that you have a tendency to obsess and overdo everything, leading to the various symptoms you have had. Then dwelling too much on the symptoms, which aggravates them. What we give our attention to grows stronger.

So what to do? Maybe some psychological counseling would be helpful, to get to the root of what is making you so mentally obsessive all the time. A good therapist and support group can help. In the end, obsession is not "removed" through a lot of effort. Just the opposite. It is "released." Very important to understand the difference. One is bondage. The other is freedom. This is what meditation and cultivating abiding inner silence are about. Finding creativity and happiness are not a doing. They are an undoing. A release, not a hanging on.

Life is not about concentrating intensely all the time. So exhausting! I dare say, neither is mathematics. The answers are found in stillness, in letting go. All the mathematical derivations in the world cannot replace one instant of insight in stillness. Creative energy (and good health) comes from stillness, from relaxing, not from concentration. Newton knew this. Einstein knew this. So learn to let go a bit. Action by itself can never accomplish what "stillness in action" can.

Likewise, healthy and enjoyable concentration comes from stillness, which is much stronger than unhealthy obsessive mental concentration which has no solid foundation, leading to all sorts of problems. AYP Lesson 263 is about this. Same thing with focusing on kundalini too much without abiding inner silence cultivated first. Without a good foundation in stillness, kundalini is difficult. Without abiding inner silence, all of life is difficult. This is why deep meditation comes first in AYP, and all the rest comes later.

No doubt you have also become sensitive to spiritual practices and are having kundalini issues, probably from overdoing practices in the past, and the ongoing obsession with symptoms and other things in the present. I think finding out why there is so much obsession could help release things. Then you could be more comfortable in your own situation, accepting it for what it is, not worrying all the time, and making informed choices on what to do with your life. These obsessions could have to do with your upbringing, childhood experiences, etc. What is it? It is suggested to find out. I am generally not a big fan of western psychology, but there are times when it can help. This may a case where it can.

Meditation can certainly help, with the cultivation of abiding inner silence bringing more inner calm and soothing the mind. But too much energy practice and ongoing obsession with symptoms have likely made you sensitive to meditation. Or maybe you have always been sensitive and have been pushing to hard. Have you tried breath meditation as discussed in Lesson 367 on over-sensitivity to mantra meditation?

In any case, the best advice I can give is to lighten up, relax, do some fun things, and let go of the obsessions you have with life as much as you can, and obsession with energy symptoms especially. You have much to be thankful for. Focus on the good things in your life. And think about getting some therapy to find out what all these obsessions are about. Don't try to do it all on the internet. A real life therapist with good qualifications can help much more.

All the best!

The guru is in you.
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Posted - May 11 2015 :  11:24:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Because of premature awakening of inner energies Initial problem in different part of my body are as shown

Sexual dysfunction: I have not identified initially because I was in physical celibate mode, but night fall was happening
Stomach: hyper acidity
Neck: many times I had get itching inside neck
Skin:Heating, both side skin rashes near by base of spine and thigh, skin rashes on right thumb and right shoulder blade, both side skin rashes near by base of spine toward anus big muscle
Mind:Asymmetric head pressure pressure in right side more.
Psychological: Sleep problem, I can't sleep on right side, During discussion some times burst of anger, some body is telling some thing then I was losing track of listening

To cure those things My practices are as shown.

No meditation pranayama amd any inverted pose asanas, Moving bare footed on grass, Drinking water 4-5 litre in a day, Heavy meal with high vegetarian protein, Swimming, Exercise, Although I was involved with PhD but I have reduced my mental work, Masturbation, Moving in nature, Every day one spoon Isabgol or psyllium husk before dinner, Pitta specific dietic and lifestyle guide lines,coconut oil massage

After some time I have added savasana with water breathing(inhale through nose exhale through mouth and both time visualize that energy is going down from head to base of spine). Earlier all of the pranayama was creating problem but this pranayama is working. It is sending energy downwards. It's my feeling.

Problem has reduced to certain extent but still some problems are present

Sexual dysfunction: Sexual fluid comes out after lot of struggle with masturbation it creates frustration
Stomach: acidity has get reduced
Skin:Heating, both side skin rashes near by base of spine toward anus big muscle
Mind:Asymmetric head pressure pressure has get reduced but some times it appears again. Some day it reduces then again it re appears this pattern is going on.
Psychological: I can't sleep on right side,During discussion some times burst of anger

My main problem is my celibacy I have to come up with celibate path again. I am in psychological fear that if it becomes habit then spirituality would be affected.

Edited by - mrityunjay_singh_1983 on May 12 2015 12:11:48 AM
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Posted - May 13 2015 :  1:50:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
HI Mrityunjay Singh

What you're doing seems to be working. Hang on in there. Sounds like lots of purification is going on. Sooner or later these symptoms will go away.

It's good you're doing lots of grounding activities.

I suppose you have thought about Karma Yoga as well? That is something we can all do without overload - trying to find ways to be of service to others.

Diet tip: If you have coconut oil in your diet, I would replace it with longer chain (bigger molecule) fatty acids. Cocoa butter and palm oil too. These fats burn so fast and release energy so quickly, I think they are best avoided if your kundalini is raging. That's what my experience taught me in any case.
Also, if you've been applying coconut oil on your skin rashes, try to see what happen if you replace it with other types of oil (sesame, sunflower?)
All the best

Edited by - BlueRaincoat on May 13 2015 2:21:01 PM
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Posted - Jun 03 2015 :  12:51:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I went to counsellor. I have not talked about my spiritual symptoms. I have talked about my obsession in different manner. Whe i start things intentionally then I can't stop myself. It makes me difficult to change my intentionally started habit and many more discussion. She has told that concentrate on your study. She was telling you are deviating here and there. Break big work in small part. Then try to do it. Things or not going in your control that is why you are deviating. Make aims then try to finish within time. Don't do in chill manner. It will make things out of control.

I have submit my problem to some other spiritual practitioner. They are telling strictly do not do non spiritual activity(porn and masturbation). This will exacerbate your condition terribly, even if you feel that you get relief for a few moments (of brief, vile pleasure). This is like scratching an infested wound, which becomes more infected and irritated the more you scratch it. My observation is after doing 2-3 day non spiritual activity I get more heating in my body. In order to cure these situations, they are also giving same type of advices. They have added some more thing like this

"Chronic headaches can be very easily cured: affix to the bottom of the feet of the patient the following: Put oil and little pieces of onion over a leaf from a banana-plantain tree. That leaf with these described elements will help the patient when it is applied to the patient's feet. The leaf must be tied to the patient's feet. Command the sick person to lie down (it is clear that because of the poultice being on the patient's feet, he must remain lying down). The sick person will drink the concoction of chicory with lemon, as he would drink water, for a period of time. This type of medicine must be performed every day and with a lot of faith until becoming radically healed."

I will try this next addition. Before that I have to become celibate again. Let us see what is going to happen.

Edited by - mrityunjay_singh_1983 on Jun 03 2015 04:03:40 AM
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Posted - Aug 04 2015 :  11:46:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Ida(left side body,right hemisphere,left nostril,left testicle)Pingala(right side body,left hemisphere,right nostril,right testicle). I am coming in celibate mode.

I feel hot left foot and leg, skin rash near by spine due to spread of hotness in anal floor, and pressure in right hemisphere of brain. I also get some energy movement in the both side of back of stomach area. I do not feel coolness in body.
Is my pingala get activated? May I try only ida breathing like breath from left nostril and release from right nostril?

Edited by - mrityunjay_singh_1983 on Aug 05 2015 03:02:51 AM
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Posted - Aug 05 2015 :  5:38:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Yogani's Deep Meditation is a super powerful meditation technique:
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Posted - Aug 05 2015 :  8:27:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
AYP practioners do not tinker around with individual chakras, nadis, symptoms, and three pages of posts and advice here have not helped you find solutions to your various maladies. I hope you have other resources because you may not get the answers you seek on this forum, sorry.
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Posted - Aug 06 2015 :  03:42:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Originally posted by mrityunjay_singh_1983

Ida(left side body,right hemisphere,left nostril,left testicle)Pingala(right side body,left hemisphere,right nostril,right testicle). I am coming in celibate mode.

I feel hot left foot and leg, skin rash near by spine due to spread of hotness in anal floor, and pressure in right hemisphere of brain. I also get some energy movement in the both side of back of stomach area. I do not feel coolness in body.
Is my pingala get activated? May I try only ida breathing like breath from left nostril and release from right nostril?

You are whole mrityunjay, sometimes Ida is active, sometimes Pingala, that is perfect.
If I may say, you are to much worrying about the details, you are whole and perfect the way you are .......let go.........
Love, strenght, wisdom.
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Posted - Sep 04 2015 :  08:59:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Charliedog. The beauty of AYP is that the simplicity of the techniques promotes a self-image of wholeness, and the underlying philosophy is that we are interested in the movement of prana and seeking the inner nature. Many details, thoughts, sensations and other experiences are viewed as a distraction from these.

Mrit, your mathematics is a gift both for you and for the world. Strong ability in engineering or science can have a profound effect on the world, either as a sole creator or as a part of a successful group. As a practicing engineer who contemplated an Applied Mathematics degree in the past, I feel that a high-level talent can be very rare. I would think you might be happiest if you could balance your mathematics and scholarship with a simpler spiritual practice that is based on only the simplest principles, but which is still powerful.

I believe that the power of science and engineering to make changes requires the involvement of spiritually-aware people to help make sure the direction of work and innovation remains one of compassion, that is clearly biased toward doing good. You already have that.

I find the combination of DM and SBP is very helpful in my engineering work, along with asana and cycling.

I wonder if a study of the lives of great Indian mathematicians (Ramanujan?) could help you with perspective?

I guess I am biased against losing a potentially great mathematician.
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Posted - Nov 21 2015 :  12:24:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi I saw your post on the gnosticteachings forum

I have the same symptoms as you and I believe I got the rash at the base of my spine also abusing masturbation for so many years and believing it was normal to look at porn even though I felt not good afterwards, the short high from doing it got me addicted.

I also developed depression, social anxiety and looking back I see these problems in life manifested when I started masturbating and became addicted to it.

I became aloof from other people feeling great shame yet continued to do it as it was the only thing in my life I began to look forward to, the small high.

Thankfully I found no-fap or people abstaining and I feel much better now at least energy wise from not masturbating and I hope to keep it up and progress to positive spiritual practice if possible now.

Whats helped me is becoming vegetarian (almost vegan) for the past 2-3 months, i notice my sexual urges are lessened greatly with this. Diatomaceous Earth also has helped with the skin rash by applying it on the skin areas, its not completely gone but much better than it was.

Edited by - k.o.s on Nov 23 2015 9:06:23 PM
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Posted - Jan 13 2016 :  01:34:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Recently, I have met to neurologist with my Brain and Neck MRI. He told you have cervical spondylitis. He has prescribed some physical neck exercises. When I sleep with cervical pillow in night with chest up. Then I get pressure in right head. But it is ok and it is manageable. I get good sleep. I have come out of various physical concerns. Which, I have described above. Earlier I was frustrated because of kundalini imbalance which I have thought. I have indulged in non celibate activity for an year. Such that kundalini goes down (it was my thought). From last three four month again I have come back to voluntarily not loosing sexual energy. When I try to do alternate nostril breathing(no spinal breathing, earlier I was doing) and then meditation(watching breath, earlier I was doing mantra repetition) it increases right head pressure. So , I can't do theses things. Now, How to identify that till now what ever is happened in my body and mind it was kundalini or cervical spondylitis. When should I start yogic practices?

Edited by - mrityunjay_singh_1983 on Jan 13 2016 03:52:45 AM
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Posted - Jan 13 2016 :  10:15:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you found some answers.I would make sure everything is stable in your everyday life before starting practices. You have finally found some relief, enjoy it. If headaches are persistent, it's a sign of overload.Selfpace.One does not progress faster by pushing through overload. Hope this helps.
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Posted - Apr 13 2016 :  10:54:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply

My right skull headache is not relieving.I have other symptoms like left leg heating, something moves up in my back. But very less in right side of body. These things increases when I do meditation and any activity which alter my normal breath pattern.

I have also braked my celibacy. When I try to maintain celibacy I feel it is increasing my right skull head pressure. When, I do not get sleep in night, I break celibacy. That is my routine.
I feel that. when I do not read and roam hear and there then my head pressure reduces. But quiting reading or PhD is dangerous and difficult decision. PhD is little bit stress full job. When I try to read my mind goes towards head. Energy moves here and there. It disturbs my reading.

I have gone to neurologist. After cervical and Brain MRI. He has told that in the cervical C6-C7 disc bulge. Doctor has told that it presents in every body of your age (mine is 32). It is also not touching spinal nerve root. When it touch spinal nerve root then it creates neck pain and hand weakness. Which is serious issue. You do physiotherapy and maintain proper posture then it automatically heals. It is not big issue.

So, I have thought that because of cervical, head pressure is coming. But after 2-3 month of physiotherapy and 24 days acupressure my right head skull pressure is not relieved. My other symptoms are also present. I have get confused whether it is kundalini or cervical problem. Some times, leg heating, leg pain and back pain happens because of lumbar disc herniation. But I have only leg heating which radiates from feet to buttock. But in lumber disc herniation it goes downwards. I told to doctor he has told no issue. He has not prescribed any further lumbar spine MRI. One day I have get faint during acupressure. I went to again neurologist. He has prescribed EEG(for seizure) it was normal. Finally, no issue. You can say I am in confused state.

Neurologist (which I have met) is also meditative healer, expert in hypnotherapy and expert in alternative medicine. His web site is given below.

His experiences:

Should I go to neurologist for my kundalini syndrome healing? I have talked regarding this to neurologist. He has told that Reiki works better in these type of cases. He also told that he can put my energy down. Then you can again start your meditation routine.

I am little bit afraid regarding this. Should I go to him or not?

Definitely He will touch my inner energy system. That is the reason of my afraid.
Guide in this regards.
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Posted - Apr 15 2016 :  9:29:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply

I have had a one- sided crown. The best way seems to be not trying to solve the problem, but you backing way off, even if it!s a few minutes of meditation for 6- 9 months. I've been there. Your Bhakti is fabulous! You just may need lean towards moderation to your constitution.
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Posted - Oct 21 2016 :  01:43:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Right head skull pressure, heating in left leg which goes from foot to buttock then inside skin something goes up in back are getting managed and I have returned in my physical celibacy practice. But still I can not do yogic practices and any exercise which alters my breath pattern.

But some new symptom has come. I am getting ring like white patches on my both upper arm. One year back, I had get ring worm in skin; one was in upper arm and others were in both side groin. But it was cured. I had taken allopathic and ayurvedic treatment.

So for white patches in both upper arm, I am going for ayurvedic(medicines, diet and lifestyle restrictions) and homeopathic treatment. If any other suggestion then please suggest me.
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Posted - Jun 16 2018 :  08:58:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
To get sleep, I am using homeopathic and plant based ayurvedic medicine. Most of the time it works. But radiation inside skin always moves left leg to right skull. In back side it moves here and there around spine. In right leg this radiation appear less. This radiation is not reducing. Whenever I confront with bright light and high sound, this radiation increases in my body. Now a days, I am able to work better than my previous years. I think my kundalini has entered in ida nadi and it has got stucked in my right skull. My muladhara chakra has activated and rest of the chakras are not activated. When we do not drink enough water then some times we feel an irritating feeling around our genital area. Similar kind of sensation happens in my perineum area. After some time it automatically goes away.This sensation does not happen always. But when it happens it irritates too much. Will the radiation go down with time? Or will it enter in susumna with time?

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Posted - Feb 12 2020 :  10:06:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Still I always get right skull pressure. It is like one insect which always present in my back of right skull and whenever I try to concentrate on my works, e.g. think about maths problem it moves towards third eye and create pressure throughout in my right skull. Light and sound increasees this pressure too.
I can't able to sleep in right side, chest up or stomach side positions. When I sleep in left side position and some time my attention goes to these symptoms then one insect moves from my right leg towards perinium and then it moves up through my joint of thigh then it gives jerk and then it goes away. It doesn't go above than thigh joints. I get less sleep too. I have already gone through liver function test, some more blood, urine and stool test, ecg, eeg, brain and cervical MRI. Every thing was normal.

Now a days I am getting black spots throughout on my scalp, this I am showing to dermatologist. But it is not getting cured. Any suggestions regarding this.
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Posted - Feb 13 2020 :  11:44:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
If you are satisfied that medically there is not a problem, perhaps observe symptoms and release like a samyama sutra, here and there when they are acute. Over time, it is my theory your symptoms will grab less of your attention, either they truly have dissolved, or become less of a burden by the act of releasing them into stillness.

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