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Annademiel

Germany
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Posted - Aug 21 2022 :  6:29:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
In short, because there is still a little need for recovery:

As a child, had the experience of prana flowing through the body, sometimes thought it was the blood (although it also tingled) and that everyone would know this after sport and at night.
Got various discomforts in adolescence.
In search of healing I came into contact with healing energies and spiritual exercises about 2-3 years ago. Ignorance and a lot of bhakti led to a Kundalini surplus. Perhaps one can say early awakening.
Question: If the basic Spiritual sensitivity is high and the energy is too much despite grounding:
Can one take a small dose of neuroleptics to remedy this. I don't want to talk about symptoms now. A trusted doctor would be there. What is important for the question here is: Do these drugs help to reduce Kundalini at all, can anyone please say something about this? In a German forum I found a very short reference which suggests that it helps but here I seem to have more expertise - does anyone know anything?

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Christi

United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 21 2022 :  7:31:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Annademiel,

Sorry to hear you are still having issues. Unfortunately we cannot offer medical advice on this forum. We are not doctors, and even if we were, it would not be a suitable place to be giving advice like that. It is best to consult with your doctor about this, and follow their advice.


Christi
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Annademiel

Germany
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Posted - Aug 25 2022 :  08:45:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, of course my question was not about a recommendation whether I should take neuroleptics or not - I realise that it would be irresponsible to say something like that. Whether or what I would actually take is of course still my decision or the recommendation of a doctor.
The question is: whether someone can say from their own experience or through others whether neuroleptics have any effect at all on the Kundalini energy. I am not interested in "treating" symptoms, I am interested in finding something that will slow down the excessive energy inflow that is causing me problems.
I already do a lot - basically everything - that comes into question, I wouldn't ask if I didn't really want help.

Regards
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BlueRaincoat

United Kingdom
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Posted - Sep 02 2022 :  10:14:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
HI Annademiel

I have never taken neuroleptics, but I might party answer your question if I tell you about my experience with a drug called Amitriptyline. It was prescribed to me years ago as a muscle relaxant and sleep aid. I took it a few times, then I ditched it. Based on those few occasions when I took it, I can tell you that the kundalini energy was not affected by it. The effects of the drug and the k energy were at different levels of being. The drug made my muscles relax, but I felt a weird disconnect between that state of relaxation and the energy that was bubbling underneath. It was not a good feeling.

I hope you find a way to cope with your overload symptoms. All the best to you.
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Annademiel

Germany
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Posted - Apr 19 2024 :  09:31:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,
A few months later, I just wanted to briefly report that I have stopped taking any chemical medication and that I believe this was the better decision. I have been using a lot of magnesium and some valerian (to help me sleep).
Thanks to all who have replied.
I have a few more questions but don't know if I should open a new heading (?) I'll post them here for now if that's ok.
There would be a lot to report on how the (very young) Kundalini process has developed, but as I am still often quite exhausted at the moment I would like to catch up on this later or bit by bit when I am better and limit myself to a few more questions now:

So: Even before all this started, I had to lie down once or twice a day for health reasons - even more so now and I definitely feel better than when I don't do it. Sometimes I fall asleep, but there are often phases when I don't (probably because the energy levels are too high) and I just relax with an active consciousness. My attention naturally goes inwards and a bit of body awareness even seems to help the energies to calm down - much better than when I think. However, I also want to avoid burning off too many additional blockages or manipulating the energies too much by being in too deep a meditation-like state. So the question is: where (in the body) can I 'park' my attention for a longer period of time without encouraging further energy flow?

Unfortunately, there seems to be a certain crown problem at the moment and from time to time. So far I have always tried to push as much prana as possible towards the forehead and turn the head slightly. From the lessons of Yogani (201) it seems that some people could benefit from such a redirection to Ajna. One of Yoganda's students I read about, who had a crown tendency, also reported that she was advised to do this and then did it together with Yogananda's help.

(201)
"Now that was an extensive "yes"; so I think you are right to include spinal breathing in your programme. Besides being a world-class way to stabilise the kundalini energies, it is also a core exercise for cultivating ecstatic conductivity from the root to the third eye. Awakening the third eye (Ajna) in this way will take you further. I would also encourage you to take up deep meditation. For all its benefits, pranayama does not cultivate the deepest levels of inner stillness in the nervous system. For that, the mind needs to be systematically guided into stillness every day - that's what deep meditation does".

Pranayama - no matter which one - doesn't seem like a good idea to me, as it additionally stimulates the energy flow. I find redirecting towards Ajna with pure willpower exhausting. So far, however, crown problems have subsided after a while; I just don't know whether because of this or despite this tactic.
At the moment the problem with the crown seems to be bigger than usual - what do you think is better: trying to redirect my attention or taking it away from my head altogether?
And should I focus my attention on the 3rd eye to relax and create a proper "wiring" in the phases when there are no problems with the crown?

Otherwise, the lessons seem to indicate that the solar plexus would be a good place to park the attention and balance the whole thing (this is used in solar centring - albeit in combination with a balancing mantra). Then it would be possible to slowly palpate the spine between the coccyx and the neck to distribute the energy a little and channel it into good paths. Or should I go to the periphery (hands) because not so many new blockages will burn off there?

Another thing that occurs to me is this: In the beginning, whenever there was a lot of activity under the skullcap (lying on my back), I turned my head strongly to the left or right. This seems to inhibit the flow of energy into the head and bring it more towards the forehead via the side channels. However, it felt strange in the body (and in the neck), which is why I gradually put my head back down straighter. Now there is more crown activity again, but I can't even say whether this was due to other possible causes. The energy distribution in the body is better with a straight head, but I don't want to let the crown activity get more and more out of control. Do you think it makes sense to unscrew the energy in this way or should I just leave everything as it is - at the moment that would be more pleasant but I don't want to boil again - at least not like at the beginning.

Another basic problem seems to be that prana is constantly being pushed up due to immune processes (especially in the gastrointestinal area) and "operating at the limits of physical performance" - but as I said, maybe more on that later ... and none of you can do anything about that anyway ...

That may have been a bit confusing, but I hope you understand what I want to ask. My feedback may take some time, but I look forward to and am grateful for your answers.

Regards

Annademiel
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Dogboy

USA
2226 Posts

Posted - Apr 20 2024 :  03:45:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
So the question is: where (in the body) can I 'park' my attention for a longer period of time without encouraging further energy flow?


Hello Annademiel

Solar Centering is probably the way to go here, to take attention away from the crown and radiate outwards from there, not only while in DM, but in everyday living too. Sending energy out the heart center, out your outstretched fingers and the pads of your feet. If SBP or other pranayama is too arousing then avoid intentional breathing, casually notice breath passing softly past your nostrils. In general find ways to ground yourself daily (lesson 69) and keep paying loving attention to yourself. You are in the process of learning about a newer way to be in your body, in this life, and this will take time. Always cut back on spiritual practices (times/durations) when you feel unstable. Hope others chime in, and that you find relief
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Annademiel

Germany
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Posted - Apr 20 2024 :  09:15:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you already.
As an afterthought, I can say that apart from resting and doing some body awareness to calm down or fall asleep, there is no spiritual practice at all (for 18 months). I have so far avoided focussing on the breath - I know that this is a balanced meditation but the breath immediately speeds up when I do this; it seems to be more progressive than body awareness - the latter probably has the disadvantage that it has a focus on the body.
Everything has improved since the beginning but the questions above keep coming up.

Annademiel
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Christi

United Kingdom
4407 Posts

Posted - Apr 20 2024 :  11:33:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Annademiel,

Good to hear that things are settling down for you and that you have been able to stop taking chemical drugs.

As to your issues with the crown, it can really be a balancing act. If there is too much activity at the crown at times, then re-directing the prana to the ajna chakra, by using shambhavi mudra, or simply by using the attention, can help. In general though it is good to move towards coming into a state where there is never too much energy at the crown. This means doing three things:

1. Focussing a lot on grounding practices during the day. This can even mean spending several hours each day only on grounding. Walking, swimming, spending time in forests or by lakes, working in the garden, socialising, cooking, cleaning and so on. All these gentle physical activities are grounding. If your diet is too light, this can cause too much prana to rise up through the body, so eating heavier foods for a while can help.

2. When you are stable enough to engage in spiritual practices then using root-to-brow Spinal Breathing Pranayama and Deep Meditating with the AYAM mantra will clear the pathway up to ajna chakra, making everything at the crown more stable and balanced. You would not be wanting to be using any of the mantra enhancements if you are having issues at the crown.

3. If you are stable enough to be using spiritual practices, but you get a flare-up at the crown, then self-pace downwards immediately and increase grounding practice.


As Dogboy mentioned, the solar centre (between the navel and solar plexus) is a fairly stable place in the body for locating your attention during the day if you are lying down to rest and do not want to aggravate the energies in the body. The legs and feet are also quite stable. Both the legs and feet can become ecstatic if you place your energy there, but this is not necessarily a problem. This ecstatic sensation can happen in the legs and feet without any flare-up at the crown being caused by this. This is because the energetic channels in the legs and feet tend to be grounding rather than activating.

The increase in energy that you are experiencing due to the digestion process is likely related to the nectar cycle and the production of amrita. This is a mid-stage aspect of the awakening process. If it is too strong, producing excessive prana in the body, then increased grounding will reduce this amrita effect.

This lesson covers the basics of grounding and self-pacing.

Lesson 69 - Kundalini Symptoms, Imbalances and Remedies


I recorded a short video for YouTube a while ago where I discussed self-pacing and grounding. That is here:

How to Deal with a Painful Kundalini Awakening


This lesson by Yogani talks about premature crown openings:

Lesson 201 - The Drama of a Premature Crown Opening


This is a video I recorded a few weeks ago for Youtube where I talked about some of these problems associated with a premature crown opening:

What is a Premature Crown Opening?


And in this video on YouTube I talk about general symptoms associated with the crown chakra opening:

The Opening of the Crown Chakra


This lesson looks at the nectar cycle and the production of amrita:

Lesson 304 - Diet, Kundalini, and the Nectar Cycle


And in this video I talk about my own experience with amrita over the years:

What is Amrita?
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Annademiel

Germany
24 Posts

Posted - May 01 2024 :  09:16:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answers. I think that answers the question quite well for now. I always enjoy watching your videos of Christ and I'm generally glad to have learnt about yoga mainly through AYP. You can tell that there are a lot of people here with their own experience and expertise and who see things in a practical rather than esoteric way. Thank you too Dogboy.
Before AYP, for example, I had already read books on yoga that recommended focussed practices on the crown, also combined with holding the breath for a long time. The idea of "not being able to breathe in again" was probably supposed to do something like overcoming the fear of death. That seemed strange to me even then, and I didn't practise it.
Yes, nectar has been appearing for a while now, it was bitter at the very beginning and occasionally sour when I upset my stomach, but now it's mainly sweet - at least I think that's a good sign.
I also wanted to make it clear that I had decided not to take any chemical medication at all, so I hadn't even started taking it. (This was probably because I was using a translation programme and didn't always read everything through again). So I can't say how neuroleptics would work with Kundalini, whether they would slow down the energy or whether you would just not care about all the symptoms. But for me it was probably the better decision.

Regards

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Christi

United Kingdom
4407 Posts

Posted - May 02 2024 :  12:21:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - May 03 2024 :  04:51:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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