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interpaul

USA
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Posted - Sep 03 2019 :  2:09:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
I discovered the AYP site after experiencing a kundalini awakening accidentally after practicing bramacharya for 3 weeks. AYP practices (meditation, spinal breathing, kechari, siddhasana etc) has gradually intensified my prana to a point where I want to be very thoughtful about where this is going. I am so hopeful I may have finally found a practice that can lead to some real progress in my spiritual growth. I have been doing meditation for years but have found the combination of bramacharya with these other practices in another league. My concern is I have had some unhealthy experiences in the past with intensifying sexual energies by viewing pornography. This drained my energy. Practicing bramacharya has been so much better for me but I want to make sure transmuting these sexual energies is truly a spiritual journey and not just another form of sexual excess. My practices have resulted in full body non ejaculatory orgasms and a general level of increased arousal. I certainly don't feel "enlightened" at this point but do see the potential of directing this energy for personal growth. I am continuing with the twice daily meditations and spinal breathing but wanted to get some guidance from others who have been down this path before me.

Dogboy

USA
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Posted - Sep 03 2019 :  8:20:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Interpaul, welcome!

My advice is to proceed cautiously, for both bramacharya along with the full slate of AYP practices can accelerate the process quickly, especially as you already have experienced ‘extreme arousal’. It is soooo easy to become attached to arousal (much the way you attached to pornography) to seek more on top of more and this could derail you in such a way you may have to quit all spiritual pursuits for a long while to recover. As you progress and purify your neurobiology, less practice is needed (the Flywheel Effect) because of this. As mentioned in a recent thread, it is better to underpractice than overpractice, to value stability over heightened experiences.

Bramacharya may not be a young man’s game: I also practice bramacharya and AYP, but as a sixty year old, with less testosterone coursing through my system, I don’t suffer the extreme consequences. For young men it is best to do it in intervals, stick to it a few weeks then release and start again. Your AYP practices will foster rising inner silence; this is where you should place your attention over the long run, to counterbalance arousal experiences. Personal growth comes from long term discipline to support a stable vessel. There is no rush, no time limit, for liberation, we all experience it on our death bed anyway. It is better walk down a hill with grace rather than tumble down in agony.

Edited by - Dogboy on Sep 03 2019 8:23:14 PM
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interpaul

USA
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Posted - Sep 03 2019 :  11:13:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Dogboy, Thank you for your reply. I am close in age to you and understand everything you are saying. I certainly couldn't handle bramacharya as a young man. Being in a marriage with a partner who has low libido has given me time to explore bramacharya. I'm hoping to reconnect with her when she is ready. Yogani has such a positive message. He makes it seem easy to crank up the bliss and the ecstasy thru Pranayama and meditation to the point it overflows into ecstatic bliss. I wonder how many humans actually achieve that state?
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Cato

Germany
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Posted - Sep 04 2019 :  02:17:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Just wanted to say I can relate so well to what has been said here.

Thanks and welcome interapaul.
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - Sep 04 2019 :  11:30:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
My wife is not a yogini and our relations have decreased too, quality over quantity, so yes, this is the stage of life to explore bramacharya.

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I want to make sure transmuting these sexual energies is truly a spiritual journey and not just another form of sexual excess. My practices have resulted in full body non ejaculatory orgasms and a general level of increased arousal. I certainly don't feel "enlightened" at this point but do see the potential of directing this energy for personal growth. I am continuing with the twice daily meditations and spinal breathing but wanted to get some guidance from others who have been down this path before me.


Ecstatic conductivity was awakened after less than two years of AYP practice; now three and a half years later it’s become apparent to me it is best not to push or control arousal, but just be in the arousal, witness and enjoy, then release attachment to it. Do you practice samyama, Interpaul? This practice has refined surrender for me.

And if harmful desires arise (pornography, in your case), you do the same, witness the desire, be in the desire perhaps asking yourself of the nature of it, and then hand it off to the universe. Your may have to do this a few times before the attachment loosens.

Ecstatic conductivity has definitely been a game changer for me, especially with asanas as now each pose has an energy signature, a full expression, and my stamina within poses has increased sharply as I witness the passion play within, and release through my solar center. https://www.aypsite.org/368.html Yogani’s knowledge, support, and positivity, his ideas that we are all capable of steering our own ship, and the experiences that have unfolded from my AYP practice has me knowing my path forward is correct.

Edited by - Dogboy on Sep 04 2019 11:32:49 AM
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interpaul

USA
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Posted - Sep 04 2019 :  12:06:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Dogboy, Thanks for your follow up message. No I haven't tried samyama yet but I will look into it. I really appreciate you sharing your positive experience. I hear the wisdom in what you are saying and it gives me hope knowing the path ahead. Yesterday I had trouble sleeping and I'm pretty sure it was due to having too much ecstatic energy coursing in my body. I am getting much better at holding the energy in (up until recently I found spontaneous releases would occur during meditation similar to a wet dream) but I don't feel I've found a completely effective way to handle the increased energy so far. In the past I would just equate that with being horny and would release it with my wife or porn. How long did it take you to learn to "just be in the arousal?" I still am a bit confused on the pacing of this process. Yogani makes it sound like the goal is to blend inner silence with ecstatic energy until it spills over into 24/7 ecstatic bliss. It does sound like he talks of conditioning the nervous system to handle this new energy load but all these practices clearly are designed to increase the pleasure more and more.
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Dogboy

USA
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Posted - Sep 04 2019 :  5:01:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind, Interpaul, symptoms are transitory; they come and go, and sometimes reappear. I recall stopping a few meditation sittings because I was so aroused, and occasionally “broke” bramacharya in order to reset. Chances are you are currently purifying at an accelerated rate (spontaneous releases!) and perhaps you should dial back practice a bit until things calm down, even shelf bramacharya for now. Don’t slam on the brakes, just lift your foot off the accelerator.

Nine years ago I had a cancerous prostate removed. Good news: cancer gone; bad news: my ability for physical arousal was gone. Over the next year and a half I used a variety of therapies to regain erections, and learned many things about myself and arousal: there is power in yogic breathing, that loving attention on something brings about change and reduces fear, that I had many unexplored erogenous zones, to name a few. Had I a meditation practice at the time, I might have healed a lot faster. I did not know much about bramacharya at the time, but naturally practiced it to heighten arousal in my therapies (yes, you can orgasm without an erection). This recovery highlighted in me that arousal trumps ejaculation. By subsequently learning the role sexual essence plays in advancing our spiritual journey was like finding lost treasure!

It is an ongoing challenge for me not to chase arousal, and often review attachments I may have in these moments. Thanks to ecstatic conductivity arousal is there by simple intention/attention, and I have learned to express it outward instead of inward, by interacting with others, by incorporation of grounding techniques in daily living, by being mindful of the moment, by hitting the ‘to do’ list or being creative in some way. This lessens the intensity in many ways.

I understand the sleep issue, as I almost always feel blissful as soon as I close my eyes. It was hard at first to overcome, but now I welcome the bliss as I pass the baton to my subconscious my mimicking the breath of deep sleep, and releasing all worldly concerns as if it were a samyama sutra. https://www.aypsite.org/150.html

Good luck and feel free to PM if you need.

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interpaul

USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2019 :  6:06:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Dogboy, Thanks for your additional comments/insights. I appreciate your wisdom and may reach out to you again should I run into problems. I'm going to dig into the archives now to see what other wisdom is out there. You may see me post again as I dig deeper into these matters.
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interpaul

USA
53 Posts

Posted - Sep 07 2019 :  02:15:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Cato

Just wanted to say I can relate so well to what has been said here.

Thanks and welcome interapaul.



Cato, Thanks for the welcome. Got distracted by dogboy's feedback I forgot to thank you. Curious what experiences you can relate to and if you've been doing this for awhile and have found any resolution
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CAA

USA
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Posted - Nov 01 2019 :  1:53:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I can add to this, after experimenting with the release of tension in the anal perineal area a few years ago (i.e prostate pleasure via aneros, massage etc..) i had an intense awakening of pleasure from that area upward towards my heart.. This phenomenon lasted for a few days as i could will it into being, the pleasure was intense like an orgasm up the spine. Ever since ecstatic conductivity has made itself a permanent residence although this spinal "orgamsic" feeling at will has gone. What has stayed is the whole body pleasure or these body orgasms that happen when my wife either massages the perineum or they just happen while having sex. They cause me to tense up in the belly and stop breating almost like a forcelful strain but they are pleasureable (if that makes sense)Honestly i don't know what to make of them or if they are healthy for progress (if anyone knows please repsond). I do also practice sex without orgasm most of the time, its a slipery slope tho. I generally orgasm the traditional way once a month and im mid forties. Sex once a week. I do practice SBP and DM as well as other techniques.. At this point for me, i can say that there have been times where we have taken this too far and had multiple non ej orgasms and sent me to the ER with extreme palpitations, dizzyness, shortness of breath. Not fun! So take it easy lol. I left the ER after i started to feel better, i just needed to relax and rest it out. All of this perinium / orgasm business started because i was having prostate issues for a while and i was looking for relief aside from doctors and medication. I just see it as a further process of tension leaving the body. Hopefully i was able to help. :)
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AYPforum

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Posted - Nov 02 2019 :  07:23:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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interpaul

USA
53 Posts

Posted - Nov 02 2019 :  11:35:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
CAA, Thanks for sharing your experience. It is funny how often people discover these things by accident as was the case for you and me. Your cautionary story about the ER visits would definitely be responded by the more experienced practitioners as a call for self pacing. These practices can certainly be intoxicating and that makes it hard to find a balance at times. Glad to hear you have a supportive partner, I am not so fortunate.
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