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david_obsidian
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 Posted - Oct 11 2006 : 10:57:34 PM
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But the REALLY sharp pain (when I pull it hard) under my tongue indicates that it's more frenum-limited.
You're welcome, Alvin. Yes, you are probably more frenum-limited. Three minutes a day for a month did stretch the muscle adequately for me; it will be an interesting experiment for you to try it. These kinds of times do produce good results in stretching muscles, as we know from stretching in hatha yoga. But it won't give you much length if you are heavily frenum-limited. But worth a try even if only to check the results.
Yes, it's best to grasp with as much surface area as you can.
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 10:11:12 AM
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Hi David and other Kechari practioners,
Now I'm a bit confused, and frustrated. I had been pulling and milking and snipping all these 10 days or so. But still no improvement whatsoever. (again gaining some length right after snipping, but healed just after a few days....)
The biggest problem lies on snipping, still. I've come to a point where all the limiting connective tissues are under the surface. And when I reach there, they're extremely painful to snip. To ensure that I'm not cutting my tongue, I pull my tongue tight with my left hand and let those tissues come taut (and thus somehow away from the tongue) But they're still painful to snip that I refrain from cutting more than a tiny bit. I think there are many nerves around those tissues.
Did you, David (or anyone else), experienced this during the days of aggressive snipping? I'm willing to withstand pain that I'm considering taking a breath and then cut through them all despite the pain. Just refrain from doing so because the pain seems to warning me. Do you guys think it's safe to cut through those tissues (other than an obvious risk of infection)?
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Scott
USA
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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 11:18:59 AM
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I don't think cutting your tongue apart is going to make things easier. You have to be patient with the process. The more you relax, the further your tongue will be able to reach. You say that it's painful to snip...maybe you should actually be snipping less than you already are.
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lucidinterval1
USA
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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 12:36:19 PM
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Alvin,
I agree with Scott. If it is painful, you are probably snipping too often. Take it slow, it takes some time.
With Peace,
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Balance
USA
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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 12:58:07 PM
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Yes Alvin, please take it easy. It's not pleasant to further pain. Perhaps taking it slower would help. Stage one produces conductivity. Be at peace with where you are right now.
Alan
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 3:46:36 PM
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Hi Alvin:
You are getting the right advice -- time to slow down and take it easy.
You know, as I look back, significant progress with kechari in my case was measured in decades, not even years, and certainly not in months or weeks. I was on the path 15 years before there was enough ecstatic conductivity occurring to send me in the direction of kechari. And it has been a couple of decades of gradual development since then. The point is, this is a long term gig, not an overnight event.
On the other hand, times are changing, and I think everyone is on a much faster track now. It is obvious around here, isn't it? That is great! But there are limits in everything. We'd like to be on the leading edge, not necessarily the bleeding edge. If kechari snipping is done prudently there will be practically no pain and no blood. If there is much of either, it is a clear signal to self-pace the whole thing. The limiting tendon will present itself when it is time to take the next easy step forward.
I suggest healing up and waiting at least a few months before pressing kechari. Give inner silence and the inner energies a chance to stabilize and mingle, and all will become clear.
Sometimes we need to self-pace our bhakti to balance progress with safety. Kechari stage 1 is a powerful practice also, warranting self-pacing sometimes as well.
Practice wisely, and enjoy!
The guru is in you.
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Alvin Chan
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Posted - Oct 30 2006 : 12:17:05 AM
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| Thanks for the replys. I just want to reach stage 2 first, so that I can maintain Kechari without any muscular effort. But my body seems to be holding me back in my progress. I'll give it some time before I proceed further. |
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yogani
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