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alwayson
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 Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 12:45:25 AM
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The guru will take the student into a pitch black room and compress certain nadis on the side of his neck.
This diverts energy from the side channels (ida and pingala) into the sushumna.
This is called Dorje Lapchu or "vajra wave" in buddhism
I do not know what it is called in hinduism, but is also performed as described by James Mallinson in his kecharividya book.
I would not try this, because as someone with some medical training, this can kill you, or aggravate pre-exisiting blood pressure problems etc etc |
Edited by - alwayson on Jan 29 2009 01:50:42 AM |
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 03:11:53 AM
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and every time someone mentions this book i suffer  , cz it's too god damn expensive it will cost me 200$ to bring it to Lebanon. |
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alwayson
Canada
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Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 08:17:25 AM
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I loaned Mallinson's book from the library
From what I remember it was Mallinson himself who had the above neck procedure done to him by a yogi at the kumbha mela |
Edited by - alwayson on Jan 29 2009 08:24:14 AM |
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themysticseeker
USA
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Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 08:47:03 AM
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| It doesn't appear to be a secret anymore. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 11:48:03 AM
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| i wish there was a library like that here in Leb... |
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NagoyaSea
424 Posts |
Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 12:42:02 AM
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Ananda, perhaps in time you could look at the Amazon kindle? It costs about 300 up front (more than I can spend right now and plus they're backordered), but you can download many books to it wirelessly. The book you refer to is about 119 via kindle. Anyway, perhaps in future it might be an option. Most books downloaded to kindle are much cheaper and in time could save. Plus you can take thousands of books with you everywhere easily on it....
just a thought.
Kathy |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 05:21:13 AM
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| that seems very interesting, thks Kathy. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 09:30:49 AM
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hello again Kathy, it's too bad but this kindle doesn't seem to be available outside the US.
plus even though it was available, it's price is........
but thk you anyways for the good advice.
kindest regards,
Ananda |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 09:58:58 AM
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Originally posted by NagoyaSea
Ananda, perhaps in time you could look at the Amazon kindle? It costs about 300 up front (more than I can spend right now and plus they're backordered), but you can download many books to it wirelessly. The book you refer to is about 119 via kindle. Anyway, perhaps in future it might be an option. Most books downloaded to kindle are much cheaper and in time could save. Plus you can take thousands of books with you everywhere easily on it....
just a thought.
Kathy
Hi Kathy and All:
The AYP books are available for Kindle also. See here.
But be forewarned. For some (many?) books, the present Amazon conversion process from MS Word or PDF to Kindle alters the formatting, especially if there are illustrations. The books are still readable, but may not be as originally formatted. Given that, a PDF ebook may be a better choice. Not sure if James Mallinson's book has formatting issues on Kindle, or if it is available in PDF ebook. The AYP books are available in both.
I once asked James about the price on his book, and he said that the publisher has control of pricing and he was disappointed with what they did, limiting the book's exposure and sales by pricing it nearly out of the market. No one benefits from that -- not the author, not the publisher, and not the readers. So why do they price it so high? Is it a fancy book with a lot of color printing and a high production cost? If not that, then what? A misguided sense of value? A book (or anything) is worth only what people are willing to pay for it, yes?
This is one of the factors that distinguishes limited-access spiritual teachings from open source spiritual teachings. It is something we are pretty sensitive about around here. 
The guru is in you.
PS: What does this say about the value of free teachings? 
Well, we pay in other ways, with our bhakti and commitment to daily practice, which are much more valuable than money. For this, the knowledge has to be available first!
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divinefurball
USA
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Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 1:06:43 PM
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| Hello, and best wishes to all. The reason - from the publishers point of view, which I am not defending - for the high cost of specialised academic texts like Prof. Mallinson's, is the expectation that only one small run of books will be sufficient to fulfill academic needs. Since the cost of production is about the same as it is for a book expected to have large, or multiple print runs, the consumer end price is proportionaly higher for 'low print run books'. Routledge was likly unaware of the rising intrest in Mallinson's topic outside the academy. If they see the demand, it might come out in a cheaper paperback someday - after they have recoverd production costs of course! |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 2:24:02 PM
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Originally posted by divinefurball
Hello, and best wishes to all. The reason - from the publishers point of view, which I am not defending - for the high cost of specialised academic texts like Prof. Mallinson's, is the expectation that only one small run of books will be sufficient to fulfill academic needs. Since the cost of production is about the same as it is for a book expected to have large, or multiple print runs, the consumer end price is proportionaly higher for 'low print run books'. Routledge was likly unaware of the rising intrest in Mallinson's topic outside the academy. If they see the demand, it might come out in a cheaper paperback someday - after they have recovered production costs of course!
Hi Divinefurball:
That makes sense, and explains why college textbooks are so outrageously expensive.
While it may be too late for this particular book, there is a way around the pricing issues associated with low unit volume books printed with costly offset plates in the traditional way.
The alternative is modern "print-on-demand" technology, where the cost of producing one book is nearly the same as the cost per book of producing 1000 books, or 10,000 books. They are digitally stored, and printed and shipped (quickly) as they are ordered "on-demand," not piled up in a warehouse. No expensive offset plate setup. It is done with PDFs and advanced printing and binding technology. Very efficient and economical. All of the AYP books are done this way, and it has been a life-saver for making multiple low unit volume titles available at a reasonable cost.
Of course, traditional publishers offer more than warehouses full of books that have to be sold in a way that will recover their large printing setup costs. They also offer distribution channels. So it will take more than print-on-demand alone to unseat the inefficient process that is in place for textbooks. It will also take distribution. As soon a large college textbook publisher/distributor moves to print-on-demand, the entire industry will make a dramatic shift, and students won't have to borrow a fortune to obtain their textbooks anymore.
And we won't have to pay so much for translated Sanskrit scriptures from the academic world either.
The guru is in you.
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Jan 30 2009 : 2:31:10 PM
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Sounds pretty similar to the CD production business....SOOOOOO glad I'm done with that! |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 06:08:36 AM
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good points yogani, plus my family works in the book business and to be honest with you even though you want to print a 1000 copy of that book and even though it had pictures in it i'm very positive that it wouldn't cost the publishers more than 5$ a book and if it's a low quality book it will cost them a 1$ or a 2$ as well and i can point them toward good printing factories here in Lebanon if they like.
printing books have become very cheap these days, and at the case at hand it's not Prof. James who wanted this price (because if he did, than that's fair it's his hard work and he has every right to act with it as he finds pleasing) but it's the publishing company who labelled the price here to suit "academic needs" denying us other normal readers and practitioners who are the real needy the right to enjoy such a masterpiece.
and this book is on demand by many there's no doubt about it, i don't know of any person who achieved khechari mudra and doesn't want this book.
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 08:22:27 AM
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Hi Alwayson,
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The guru will take the student into a pitch black room and compress certain nadis on the side of his neck.
This diverts energy from the side channels (ida and pingala) into the sushumna.
This is called Dorje Lapchu or "vajra wave" in buddhism
Isn't this what happens during a Cranial-Sacral therapy session? Anyone here a practitioner?
Christi |
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gumpi
United Kingdom
546 Posts |
Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 1:16:17 PM
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| Pressing on glands in the neck is dangerous as it can produce catalepsy which drastically reduces the body's metabolism to almost nothing, and needs outside intervention to take the person out of catalepsy. it is like artificial samadhi. It doesn't produce much by way of spiritual progress. |
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alwayson
Canada
288 Posts |
Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 4:52:51 PM
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I don't know much about this, and I don't recommend it either.
I just posted for curiosity purposes |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 8:05:05 PM
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can you elaborate more on the subject you mentioned Christy cz you've got us all very interested.
love,
Ananda |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Feb 01 2009 : 04:15:13 AM
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Hi Ananda,
I know little about it myself. All I know is that a friend of mine is trained in Cranial-Sacral therapy and he gave me a treatment once. During the treatment he seemed to spend most of his time adjusting the flow of prana through the ida and pingala nadis just above the throat chakra in order to bring the flow of prana into the sushumna nadi.
If there is a practitioner here in the forum then maybe they could confirm that this is what happens?
It is certainly a fascinating form of therapy. I seem to remember Jill once mentioned that her kundalini was awakened by a Cranial-Sacral therapist during a treatment.
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jillatay
USA
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Posted - Feb 02 2009 : 01:47:55 AM
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Are there two Jills because it wasn't me. I do know a cranial sacral practitioner though and she has said there are sometimes amazing things happen to people during a session.
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Feb 02 2009 : 06:58:41 AM
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Hi Jill,
Did I imagine that ? My apologies. Maybe it was someone else.
I checked, and you are the only Jill here.
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Shanti
USA
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Christi
United Kingdom
4379 Posts |
Posted - Feb 05 2009 : 03:58:47 AM
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Hi Shanti,
Thanks for doing the detective work
That wasn't the one I was thinking of... although it is a description of the kundalini being awakened during a cranial-sacral therapy session:
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Manipura wrote:
I recently had cranial sacral work done. I've had some work done before, and it has the tendency to put me in a bit of an altered state, but this time it was profound. As she worked on my cranium, making ever-so-slight adjustments at the base, I felt energy being released from my pelvis and slowly, sensually working its way up my spine and into my brain. What an experience - I was blown away. I want to know more about it
If you are reading along Manipura, does the practice being described in this thread sound like the practice that was done to you during that cranial-sacral session?
Christi
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alwayson2
USA
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adamantclearlight
USA
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cosmic
USA
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Posted - Dec 04 2009 : 11:49:29 PM
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Originally posted by adamantclearlight
So this gives you a taste, but it doesn't show you how to cook dinner.
Hi adamant,
How do you cook dinner?
Love
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adamantclearlight
USA
410 Posts |
Posted - Dec 05 2009 : 11:55:45 AM
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| See. Don't try. |
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A secret practice from buddhism and hinduism
