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microcosm
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 Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 08:38:48 AM
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I'm experiencing the witness state in my daily life more and more often, but thoughts keep interrupting it. Most of the time they are angry thoughts. I imagine conflicts and situations from the past where I didn't express my anger. I note them, but it feels like a temporary solution. I'm wondering if there is a more efficient one.
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 09:56:34 AM
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Most of the time they are angry thoughts. I imagine conflicts and situations from the past where I didn't express my anger.
The past, those situations, are gone; what remains is your identification with those situations. Noting them isn't temporary, it's healing and loosening that identification. Keeping up your practice is the only thing you need to do. |
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 09:57:55 AM
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Hi microcosm
Noting them is the solution. While you are watching those thoughts/feelings, you are not identified with them any more. That cuts off the 'energy supply' from those thoughts. Keep watching them and they will weaken and fade away. It's not instant but it works (given time and patience). |
Edited by - BlueRaincoat on Jul 31 2015 12:23:30 PM |
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microcosm
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 10:59:38 AM
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| That's good to hear. It's tiring to think these thoughts. |
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jonesboy
USA
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 11:17:33 AM
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Hi Microcosm,
This happens often. The witness I have found is like a wave. Sometimes we reach some pretty amazing heights of separation and other times we still get caught up in our attachments.
It is okay.
Over time if you are integrating those emotions that you get caught up in they will gradually lose the energetic charge that drags you back in to thought.
It is a process, a wonderful one at that.
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sunyata
USA
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 1:52:34 PM
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Hi microcosm,
You have already received excellent advice. You are already noting- that's great! What I've learnt is saying "yes" to both positive and negative emotions. When I was new to "spirituality" I would identify with the positive emotions and deny the negative. I think accepting and saying yes to the emotion helps.
I go through this myself- There are times I release it in silence,witness it, catch it half way and laugh at myself and at times get totally involved. Outside of practice when the emotion is strong and it's looking like it's going to engulf me I put my awareness in my heart and face it with compassion and without fear. I drop the word "fearless" in silence. I like using fearless because behind every negative emotion anger, sadness there is some type of fear hidden behind it. The cycle will continue till the energy is exhausted in the past event. Hope this helps.
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Edited by - sunyata on Jul 31 2015 3:09:37 PM |
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So-Hi
USA
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 1:54:43 PM
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Exactly whatever it is when it happens here is watched but is not let off the hook that easy once identified, accept it fully inhale it in, if you will, bring it close inside with divine love into my heart of hearts experience it fully exhaust it and release it over and over again no matter how long it takes even take long breaks from it if it is too much all at once, then let it go whatever it is, is no less deserving of love than anything else release and letting go.
For the little stuff or pretty much devoid of energy stuff that is so old as to not be remembered any more just watching and letting go into stillness is enough.
The big stuff though needs to be actualized internally before release because sometimes there is a lesson in it still to be learned before relaese or else the release is a sham and does not work.
Awareness is sticky. |
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microcosm
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 1:59:08 PM
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Perhaps I used the term "witness state" incorrectly. I mean neutrally observing sensations and not thinking.
I opened a texteditor and wrote down all thoughts related to a particular recurring topic. I felt relief. I'll observe if this topic comes up again. If not, expressing feelings in writing will prove to be a good method  |
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sunyata
USA
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Posted - Jul 31 2015 : 2:12:35 PM
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If not, expressing feelings in writing will prove to be a good method
Putting it down in paper/computer is an awesome method as well .
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Charliedog
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 03:21:32 AM
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Originally posted by sunyata
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If not, expressing feelings in writing will prove to be a good method
Putting it down in paper/computer is an awesome method as well.
For me writing works excellent! |
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 07:27:08 AM
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When a man dwells on objects ,he feels attachment for them.Attachment gives rise to desire ,and desire breeds anger.
From anger comes delusion ,from delusion ,the failure of memory ,from the failure of memory ,the ruin of discrimination ,and from the ruin of discrimination the man perishes. Krishna to Arjuna. |
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 07:43:24 AM
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| For me thoughts are like seeds the ground of those thoughts are emotions founded on desire for something ,it could be my right of way on the road ,my opinion ,my perception of what is right or wrong ,I wish for the outcome to be in my favour ,dwelling on previous desires for outcomes are difficult but when realised that all they really are impressions left by previous unfulfilled desires one release them even if they return they do become less deep wearing away with every new day of spirit ,anger is a core trait and has many disguises and for me took a while to disrobe there costumes but sometimes they reappear in a new clothes and I am fooled |
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Charliedog
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 08:11:14 AM
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Originally posted by kumar ul islam
reappear in a new clothes and I am fooled
Yes can relate to that |
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Bodhi Tree
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 08:29:47 AM
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Here's a great lesson on transforming emotional energy for enlightenment:
http://www.aypsite.org/340.html
Even anger can be useful in the process. Angry thoughts can co-exist with the witness state, strange as it seems.  |
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Blanche
USA
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Posted - Aug 01 2015 : 12:31:55 PM
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When the attachment is relased from anger, a feeling of strength rises. There is a pool of strength at the bottom of anger. It is easier to surrender when in touch with the inner strength. Anger might be just a limited/misdirected expression of this unbounded strength.
Also, when feelings are held in awareness, they "deflate" gradually, and their original energy is returned to the owner. One finds suddently releaved and energized. |
Edited by - Blanche on Aug 01 2015 3:20:25 PM |
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Repressed anger interrupts the witness
