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Kirtanman
USA
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 Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 4:00:03 PM
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I've never heard of this guy before ... but I already kinda like him!
Check out Lorin Roche's web site:
http://www.lorinroche.com/page13/page13.html
(The link above takes you to an article on the Radiance Sutras, aka the Vijnanabhairava Tantra.)
Site overview for Lorin Roche:
http://www.lorinroche.com/page228/page228.html
(aka The Friendliest Meditation Teacher in America)
Among the categories on his site are:
Sex
Drugs
Rock n' Roll
... and a fine example of the last category is this page, with a *MUSTT* listen video!
Not to mention some *excellent* advice on "honoring your inner rebel", vis a vis spiritual/meditation practices.
http://www.lorinroche.com/page48/page48.html
(What typo??  )
Other categories include:
Bhakti Fest
Yoga Soup
Surfing
God
Yes ... he is Californian ... why do you ask??
Enjoy, Dudes of All Genders!
Like, Totally!!
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anaitkes
USA
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Posted - Sep 28 2009 : 9:27:33 PM
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| I exchanged a few emails with him. I found him to be sort of snobbish. I don't like his approach to the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, which is one of the key texts I am interested in. He gave it too much of a New Age spin, to the extent of having "readings" like in poetry clubs or wherever. Kind of misses the point of the text IMO. |
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Kirtanman
USA
1651 Posts |
Posted - Sep 30 2009 : 11:36:26 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by anaitkes
I exchanged a few emails with him. I found him to be sort of snobbish. I don't like his approach to the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, which is one of the key texts I am interested in. He gave it too much of a New Age spin, to the extent of having "readings" like in poetry clubs or wherever. Kind of misses the point of the text IMO.
"Opinions vary."
Sharing any direct experience with someone can be useful for other to know about -- but I think it's also useful to note:
What one person interprets as snobbish -- another may not even notice, or may not seem the same way.
Likewise, maybe some people could find value in group readings of the Vijnanabhairava.
I don't know Lorin Roche at all; if I ever talk/email with him, I'll be happy to share my experience, as well .... though I'll warn you all: it's been quite sometime since I've had a negative impression of anyone; it just doesn't seem to come up all that much, these days.
Basically: I look at it like this -- if someone is willing to create an extensive web site, with spiritual information that may potentially be useful to many -- they warrant the benefit of the doubt.
And heck, who knows, anaitkes -- maybe you caught the guy on a bad day; or maybe your standards of "snobbishness" are more stringent than most (I'm not saying they *are*; I'm just putting it out there as a possibility).
Why am I making a point of saying all this?
Primarily, because I see a lot of teachers maligned by a single statement or interaction, when it's basically unwarranted -- and in the interest of respect to all teachers // web site publishers // bloggers, etc. .... it seems only reasonable to remind everyone reading that allowing yourself to form your own opinion, by checking out the information yourself ... is always a good way to go.
With all genuine respect to anaitkes, I simply haven't found negative opinions, especially opinions that are this subjective (again: what is snobbish? What's wrong with group readings of the Vijnanabhairava? <- Which *is* a text that is of potentially high value to all -- 112 techniques for allowing attention to rest in the true nature of what we each and all are, now.)
Heart Is Where The AUM Is,
Kirtanman
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Lacinato
USA
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Posted - Oct 10 2009 : 11:50:28 AM
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| Interesting page on women! I was apprehensive but it was good 'food-for-thought'. |
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little_rad
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 08 2011 : 4:42:36 PM
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Thanx Kirtanman! Totally awesome link, dude.
I also enjoyed your other link to Wayne Wirs. I sent him a message and he replied the day after with a lovely message! Cool. |
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kevincann
USA
335 Posts |
Posted - May 10 2011 : 02:38:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman
quote:
Originally posted by anaitkes
I exchanged a few emails with him. I found him to be sort of snobbish. I don't like his approach to the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, which is one of the key texts I am interested in. He gave it too much of a New Age spin, to the extent of having "readings" like in poetry clubs or wherever. Kind of misses the point of the text IMO.
"Opinions vary."
Sharing any direct experience with someone can be useful for other to know about -- but I think it's also useful to note:
What one person interprets as snobbish -- another may not even notice, or may not seem the same way.
Likewise, maybe some people could find value in group readings of the Vijnanabhairava.
I don't know Lorin Roche at all; if I ever talk/email with him, I'll be happy to share my experience, as well .... though I'll warn you all: it's been quite sometime since I've had a negative impression of anyone; it just doesn't seem to come up all that much, these days.
Basically: I look at it like this -- if someone is willing to create an extensive web site, with spiritual information that may potentially be useful to many -- they warrant the benefit of the doubt.
And heck, who knows, anaitkes -- maybe you caught the guy on a bad day; or maybe your standards of "snobbishness" are more stringent than most (I'm not saying they *are*; I'm just putting it out there as a possibility).
Why am I making a point of saying all this?
Primarily, because I see a lot of teachers maligned by a single statement or interaction, when it's basically unwarranted -- and in the interest of respect to all teachers // web site publishers // bloggers, etc. .... it seems only reasonable to remind everyone reading that allowing yourself to form your own opinion, by checking out the information yourself ... is always a good way to go.
With all genuine respect to anaitkes, I simply haven't found negative opinions, especially opinions that are this subjective (again: what is snobbish? What's wrong with group readings of the Vijnanabhairava? <- Which *is* a text that is of potentially high value to all -- 112 techniques for allowing attention to rest in the true nature of what we each and all are, now.)
Heart Is Where The AUM Is,
Kirtanman
I myself think that "Bill and Ted" of "Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure 1&2"
are as fine a teacher as you could find! Open hearts, open minds, compliment
others, and little clinging to how life unfolds!
LOL.
"Be excellent to each other dudes!" |
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Mykal K
Germany
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Dec 12 2016 : 3:55:51 PM
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| Hi Mykal, I also find Roche's approach and site interesting. I like the way he considers that everyone is different, and how this matters in yoga and meditation. Also, he brings Yogani's The-Guru-is-in-you to a whole new dimension by adding the rebel, so, yes, The-guru-and-the-rebel-are-in-you. |
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Mykal K
Germany
266 Posts |
Posted - Dec 13 2016 : 03:09:22 AM
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
791 Posts |
Posted - Dec 17 2016 : 10:58:02 AM
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very interesting another slice of what yoga can or cant be thankyou wiil read more bit by bit  |
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Mykal K
Germany
266 Posts |
Posted - Dec 19 2016 : 10:05:48 AM
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Dec 19 2016 : 10:26:08 AM
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Hi Mykal,
Thank you for reviving this thread. I have been reading the radiance sutras for the past few days. I'm mesmerized.
The full length Radiance Sutra is in his website.
https://www.scienceandnonduality.co...as-part-iii/
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 05:17:34 AM
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Hi Sunyata, thank you for posting that link – did not know that site and found the content quite interesting, including the article by tantrik traditions scholar Christopher Willis criticizing Roche’s approach to the ancient tantric writing.
I read Willis’s article yesterday. I can understand that, from his scholar’s point of view, Roche’s writing may be far from being a translation of the original tantric verses (actually, the fact that the book is NOT intended to be a translation is quite clear to the reader right from the beginning; at least it was very clear to me).
Of course, I would really LOVE to be a scholar who understands the real meaning of the mysterius and elliptical sutras and verses from the ancient yoga writings we all enjoy. But for an average Westerner like me it’s simply not possible to achieve such level of knowledge.
So it’s very important that authors like Roche, Yogani and others have the balls to do the hard work for us average people and write handbooks about yoga practices in a language that we Westerners of today can understand. If we did not have such authors, yoga would still be something for the fews.
Yes, I am an average Westerner and I probably do yoga practices that someone would not even call „yoga“, and, yes, I don’t know much about all the yogic traditions and the culture of those ancient times in the East. Still, I feel the urge and the pleasure to do those practices, and beautyful things keep happening in my life.
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Mykal K
Germany
266 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 06:52:23 AM
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Thanks Sunyata .
Didn't know that there are 32 sutras on that site . |
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Charliedog
1625 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 07:05:41 AM
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Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading |
Edited by - Charliedog on Dec 20 2016 07:06:46 AM |
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 4:25:45 PM
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Hi Ecdyonurus,
Glad you liked it. The knowingness does not differentiate between a Westerner and Easterner. The bliss of the infinte is timeless and rapturous.
One embrace melts the questioning mind. And yes Yogani is Legendary!
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Still, I feel the urge and the pleasure to do those practices, and beautyful things keep happening in my life.
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 4:38:24 PM
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Originally posted by Charliedog
Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading
Hi Charliedog,
I have read few pages of that book online. That is indeed heavy!
I'm getting a pull to buy books on Kashmir Shaivism/ Tantra.
Daniel Odier- Tantric Quest: An Encounter with Absolute Love
It's about his journey to the East in the 60s and meeting a female tantric master. Just reading that felt radical! |
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Dogboy
USA
2192 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2016 : 9:44:54 PM
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Now you got me curious!  |
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
1532 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 01:41:47 AM
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Originally posted by Charliedog
Beautiful Sunyata, thank you.
One of my beloved bhakti fueling books is the translations of Vijnana Bhairava Tantra of Osho. It's a book of 1500 pages, heavy reading
Yeah. I am 3/4 of the way through that book and I have been reading (on and off) for the past 3 years
The other book of this size which I, however, devoured in 3 days was The Lord of the Rings.
Sey |
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Charliedog
1625 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 02:18:05 AM
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I have read few pages of that book online. That is indeed heavy!
I'm getting a pull to buy books on Kashmir Shaivism/ Tantra.
I meant literally heavy Sunyata I have the printed version of Osho......it was some years ago before finding AYP. I became interested in Advaita, but I didn't find that what I was looking for in books of for instance Nisargadatta. Then I found Osho, his teachings gave me insight in my feelings. One other very beautiful tantra book of Osho is 'Song of Mahamudra' one of my favorites.
If you feel a pull to Kasmir Shavism check you tube on Igor Kufayev. He teaches pure love (my opinion) also he explains very clear the Samadhi stages.
Anyway, I love to read and to resonate with teachers, but I have to say that Yogani's teachings filled the gaps I had. 
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 10:09:44 AM
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Hi Dogboy,
The book is on it's way along with The Radiance Sutras by Lorin Roche. Looking forward to them.
Hi Charliedog,
I too have been listening and reading Igor Kufayev for few years now. He is indeed very clear! In my opinion Kashmir Shaivism and AYP complement each other perfectly.
I've listened to quite a few of Osho videos. They are all beautiful. But it feels like he is not grounded but to each his own.
Sally Kempton is another wonderful K.Shaivism teacher.
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Charliedog
1625 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 11:13:16 AM
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Sunyata I ordered too the book of Daniel Odier....it takes two weeks because it has to come from the US
Thank you for your sharing |
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2016 : 4:11:49 PM
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| Sweet! I would love to read your review. Mine should be here by next week. |
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Jan 09 2017 : 05:23:47 AM
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| Hy Sunyata, I just read in another thread that you are reading Roche's book. It would be interesting to talk about that, wouldn'it? In the other thread you called the book a "translation", but to me it does not sounds like a translation (which is not to say that Roche' book is not good!). What is your point of view? |
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sunyata
USA
1505 Posts |
Posted - Jan 09 2017 : 09:41:52 AM
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Hi Ecdyonurus,
It is Roche's interpretation of the Vijana Bhairava Tantra- dialogue between the divine masculine and divine feminine. It has just blown me away. The last six years I've had to work on integrating the awakening so it has been more experiential path and haven't done much reading except for Yogani's books and lessons. And limited to Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharishi and Yoganada.
I've discovered Kashmir Shaivism and it's knock your socks off reading combined with AYP practices. Also, I like the fact that Roche has included the Devanagari script(Sanskrit),translated it into Roman letters and then included his own interpretation. I can read much better in English than Sanskrit but it's been nice to brush up on my ability to read the Devanagari script.
In my personal practice, I invoke my Isthas through mantras before I sit for my daily practice. I've also started reading a page of Roche's book to invoke the inner energies before my practice. This has been powerful. So, I've had to self pace on the book because each word is so potent that it makes the inner energies stronger. I've stopped at pg.70 for right now.
In a nutshell, the book is simply his interpretation of his experience with the inner energies over his decades of practice. The words to describe the book - Divine Ecstasy.
Have you read the book? I would love to hear your perspective.
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Jan 10 2017 : 03:38:34 AM
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Hi Sunyata,
Thanks for your reply - very interesting!
My knowledge of the philosophy called Kashmir Shaivism is shallow, but if we allow ourself to keep it very schematic we could consider that „Shiva“ and „Shakti“ of that philosophy are called „inner silence“ and „ecstatic conductivity“ in AYP, well, I can understand why you wrote that Kashmir Shaivism can be combined with AYP practices. Please don't hit me if this sounds too schematic...
Anyway, although I don’t know much about eastern philosophy and yoga systems, my feeling is that AYP is largely based on a tantric approach, despite the fact that Yogani seems to root his writings mainly in the Yoga sutras of Patanjali. I wrote „seems to root“ because this could be my distorted understanding of Yogani’s writings, of course. Again, please dont hit me...
Concerning Roche’s book, I also find it brilliant and inspiring, and like you I also look at it as his personal - and very inspiring - interpretation oft he Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, not as a translation like a scholar would do. Also, it is clear that he integrated in the rendition his own meditation experience, which seem to be quite huge.
But what I don’t understand is how you can combine this book with the AYP approach to meditation practice, because if I understood things well, the way the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra approaches meditation practice is very different from the AYP approach:
- The Vijnana Bhairava Tantra considers that each practitioner is different, and therefore each practitioner has to find his/her own meditation practice among the 112 radically different methods contained in the book. Roche’s approach goes even further, including meditation techniques that sound very „freestyle“.
- AYP adopted a single mantra meditation technique with a basic mantra for every practitioner and a very limited set of enhancements oft he basic mantra. The variable elements in the AYP approach to meditation are that each practitioner has to find the right duration of his/her meditation session and the right mantra enhancement (or just stay with the basic mantra).
What is your point of view on that aspect?
By the way, I envy you for being able to read Devanagari…
It’s snowing here, and I love the snowflake dance – it is vibrant and peaceful at the same time.
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