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Agni

United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 08 2007 :  7:02:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit Agni's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
First off I'd like to say hi to everyone as I am new to these forums, I hope everyone is well.

I would like to know if there are specific things that can happen to a person if the kundalini energy is spontaneously awakened?

Now I am sure a lot of you have read this kind of post before but I am being sincere about this. I have never talked about it before (apart from to 2 people) because it was one of the most frightening experiences in my life. It happened to me 10 years ago when I was 16 and it did change my life in a positive way but it was also a very frightening experience. To put it bluntly I was convinced I was losing my mind.

The last person I told about this was my yoga teacher, and although she
said it may be a kundalini experience I don't think she is comfortable with taking on a role as a sort of guru outside of the yoga class, and I am fine with that, she is amazing and I am blessed to have her as my teacher.

I don't want to say what happened to me just yet as I am interested to see what you guys tell me.

~ n a m a s t e ~

Richard

United Kingdom
857 Posts

Posted - Jan 08 2007 :  7:25:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello there, firstly welcome to the forum Perhaps you would like to describe your experience to us. meanwhile have a look here hope this helps. I suggest you also have a look at the main lessons here



Richard



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Jim and His Karma

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Posted - Jan 08 2007 :  8:09:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
If you want to terrify a yoga teacher, ask for help with a kundalini awakening.
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weaver

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Posted - Jan 08 2007 :  10:58:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Posted by Agni

I would like to know if there are specific things that can happen to a person if the kundalini energy is spontaneously awakened?

Hi Agni and welcome to the forum!

There is a wide range of things that can happen with a spontaneous kundalini awakening. There is quite a bit of information on this on the internet which one can find easily, so we wouldn't need to repost that here. But, in short, kundalini can basically change everything in us on all levels, including personality, emotions, opinions, desires, habit patterns, thought patterns, goals in life etc. If we get too much of kundalini and any of these ingrained patterns in us are abruptly changed, it may seem like losing one's mind. And, of course, just the intensity of the energy itself can be frightening, and can even possibly be damaging, if too much is released. If you would like to share more I'm sure you will get more specific replies that hopefully can be of help.

Best wishes!

.

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Wolfgang

Germany
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Posted - Jan 09 2007 :  03:33:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit Wolfgang's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Another hint I want to give you (until the time you feel
comfortable to explain your experience/situation) is this:
after or during a kundalini rising you should do a lot
of grounding exercises, like walking in nature, some physical
work out etc., I personally am doing Tai Chi/Qigong exercises.

hope this helps
Love and Light
Wolfgang
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Agni

United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 09 2007 :  08:24:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit Agni's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi guys, thanx for the advice so far.

Well what happened went something like this.

I was at home one day, nothing unusual was happening and I was sitting in my kitchen watching some t.v. All of a sudden I felt an incredible surge of energy that seemed to engulf everthing about me. I felt like I was shooting upwards at a million miles an hour yet staying in exactly the same place. I remember laughing nervously at first because it was quite a intoxicating yet totally unknown feeling. My entire being was just filled with energy. For whatever reason I walked in a daze, my eyes wide, over to a mirror and stood staring at myself. It was at this point that everything around me took on a "unreal" quality. Everything no longer seemed solid or grounded in what I had previously thought of as reality. I looked down at the floor and it seemed to be moving like water, much in the same way the sea moves on a gentle summer day. The walls and the air also seemed to take on this shimmering quality. I cant remember what I done next but the following few months were pretty scary. The energy didn't seem to disperse, my whole perception of reality had been altered and I had nothing in my mind at the time which I could compare it to. The only conclusion I could draw was that I was losing my mind. I cant totally describe in words what I was feeling and the way I was now seeing things but everything was now different, no longer the same mundane reality. One day something clicked inside me and it told me that I had to become a better person, become more aware of myself, my place in the world and how I can make the world better.

I wasn't a bad kid, I never got into trouble but what I had was an immense feeling of separation from the world. I couldn't grasp the concept of how the world worked. I had just left school and it seemed that everyone around me was telling me to sort my life out and get a job, now is the time to decide what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. I had no idea how I could even begin to figure that out, it seemed like such a bizarre concept yet all around me all of my friends had went off and found jobs or training courses and were beginning their lives. Money and buying "stuff" was just never important to me. I used to drive the careers advisor's nuts, when they would ask "well what did you want to be when you were a child?" I would reply "A Child!". I think that if I had found some form of spirituality at that age I would have been ok.

The other person I told about it was my Nan. I told her about how I was feeling but I didn't go into full detail. It made me feel better to finally tell someone about what was going on and she made an appointment for me at the doctors and made me some food to try and make me feel better, and I ended up staying with her the entire night. When I went to see the doc and I told him pretty much everything, his advice was to try and stop thinking about it so much and to not worry, try to relax. He also said that if the hallucinations (wavy reality) continued then I was to go and see him again and he would send me to see a specialist. At that point somehow I knew I had come to see the wrong person and that seeing this specialist would be a bad thing. I thanked him for his help and left.

So I began by changing myself, questioning things and generally just being a nicer guy and helping people out if I could. Somehow the act of doing, of service, made me feel better inside. The energy inside me gradually quieted down and I slowly became more centered and felt like everything was becoming more "real", although reality has never been the same since.

I still feel the energy inside me today, some days I can feel it taking me but I now know how to breathe properly and use meditation to bring focus back. I also do parkour (free running) to help me feel grounded. The way things look has never been the same, i'm not quite sure what it is but ever since that day everything has had that shimmering quality to it, like its telling me "yes I'm here in this form now but that can and will change in an instant".

The gradual process of returning to reality took a number of years and is infact still an on-going process. The whole experience was the hardest thing I have ever had to cope with. In the long run I am glad it happened as it helped to shape me into the person I am today, it helped me find my spirituality and to enjoy the feeling of the mystery behind existence. It gave me meaning.

So there it is, thats is pretty much what happened. I'm asking now because I feel its time to try and make sense of what happened to me and I know I have the strength to ask these questions, even if I do not like the answers.

~ om namah shivaya ~

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emc

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Posted - Jan 09 2007 :  3:47:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to hear about your experience. To me it sounds wonderful now, but I understand your mixed feelings about it. When I came here to forum I was all upside down. My first post looked like this:

http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=1214

I am glad you feel it is time to make sense of it now! Welcome to the forum. This is a very good place to get help to put things in order.

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weaver

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Posted - Jan 09 2007 :  10:22:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi again Agni !

Thank you for sharing your experience and how it has affected your life. It is a big deal. However, there is nothing unusual about it from an objective point of view. This has happened to many others, and many elements are very similar. Yet, to the individual it can be very confusing. And, maybe even more confusing to many doctors. Kundalini is still a largely unknown/unrecognized phenomenon to ordinary, Western medicine. So, trying to get treatment there can sometimes do more harm than good. But emotional and psychological support is important.

I am very glad to hear that you have been able to manage it in a constructive way, and have found most changes positive in your life. If you consider taking up Advanced Yoga Practices, I think you will find that you can cultivate both inner silence and the kundalini energy in even greater measure for positive results, and getting more grounded at the same time. I recommend that you study the AYP Lessons as well: http://www.aypsite.org/MainDirectory.html

Just feel free to ask questions!
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Agni

United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 :  10:25:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit Agni's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thankyou for the advice!

wow emc I guess you are feeling a lot better about yourself now? Ive never heard of an experience like that before, thankyou for sharing.

Thank you weaver, I think i'm going be reading all of those lessons.

~ n a m a s t e ~
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Fran

United Kingdom
20 Posts

Posted - Jan 27 2007 :  12:00:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit Fran's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everyone,

I've just joined the forum. Great to find it, to read Yogani's lesson's and to read about other people's Kundalini experiences (Agni and emc just read), very valuable to me

My kundalini journey began spontaneously during meditation (over three years ago now, aged 21). I absorbed in to a place of bliss, energy, beauty and wonder. At the time I was ill with ME/Chronic Fatigue, yet after this experience, which felt healing at the deepest level, I was left with so much energy for two weeks. I hardly slept, felt high all the time and was falling in love with my meditation teacher, who I ended up getting together with.

I thought I was cured. After two weeks I came down from the high to a more normal level,but four weeks later after my first term University exams (my secound attempt at University- the first I got ill), I crashed and was even iller than I'd been before. I could hardly get up the stairs the fatigue was so bad, nevermind out the house. I dropped out for the secound time. Soon after this I entered cycles of highs and lows- spiritually, mentally, physically, emotionally... I was desperate to be healed, kept surrendering to experiences in meditation and exploring healing in many ways. I got to the point where I felt I didn't exist anymore- completely in an expansive awareness. To the point that my two year deep relationship fell apart, like attachment had disintegrated. After this I was in such an open state, trying to return to work and 'normal' life, yet it all seeming so alien to me. I wanted to disappear in to the emptiness and not have to come back and face my life, indeed it felt I had already died anyway.

I eventually realised I needed to stop meditating, which although transcendental and expansive at the time, was leaving me unable to deal with my life. I felt I was balancing on a fine line between enlightenment and insanity and I wasn't sure which way I was going to fall. It got to the point when I was ready to refer myself to a Psychiatrist and considered that I may need anti-psychotics, yet thankfully my new boyfriend researched my symptoms on the internet and came to me with a pile of information on Kundalini Awakening, I was so relieved to read it all written down, what was happening to me, yet some of the stories made me feel even more concerned about my present state.

Now things look very differently and I am generally positive about life and am generally grateful for the blessings this transformation have given me. I've ended up getting back with my ex-boyfriend which felt like getting back with a part of my soul that I had left behind and I entered expanded consciousness. I'm also really well now and am managing to function in the world, although feel in it, but not of it. I still don't meditate as a result, yet feel I will start a little again soon,

Be good to be in touch with other's undergoing this experience,


All the best to you,

Fran x
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Jim and His Karma

2101 Posts

Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  09:24:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Agni,

As I was reading your account, I was thinking kundalini until the mirror part, the moving floor part. That's not really how it is, in my experience. That said, kundalini works differently for different people, so unless one has worked closely with a whole lot of different folks awakening K, it's hard to know what it can and can't be like. But, really, I wonder if someone had secretly slipped you a psychedelic drug. Drugs, at the right time and in the right person, seem to be able to give glimpses of spiritual realities (I"ve never done acid, myself).

In any case, we all come to our practice with a mixed bag of experiences, both worldly and spiritual. And here's the good news: within the confines of practice, we drop that bag. It simply doesn't matter. The analyzing mind is not a part of practice, so we needn't understand what's happened to us, or what's happening to us, or what's going to happen to us. Paradoxically, once we drop that need to know, then we find ourselves increasingly knowing. But it's a deeper knowing than the mind can ever offer.

So whether you had a moment of spiritual grace, a kundalini awakening, a psychotic episode, or were the victim of a cruel prank...it doesn't matter. As you wisely concluded, it's simply made you who you are. You are the culimination of myriad factors, and you seem to have come out of this - and the other factors - with a pretty free outlook. That's good, because you're not so tied down in certainties.

Now that you've "found your spirituality", will you be able to just sit on the floor or bed or chair for 20 mins twice per day saying "I Am" a lot without letting your spirituality get in the way? Spirituality can be quite a hindrance! ;)

Good luck in your practice.

Edited by - Jim and His Karma on Jan 28 2007 09:32:37 AM
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Victor

USA
910 Posts

Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  12:39:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Agni, when I reread your story in light of Jims speculation I also got the feeling that you might have been slipped a psychedelic as all the the experiences that you describe are completely consistant with that, however if that were the case you would have likely said that the next day that the feeling was gone and that maybe you had a lingering sense that something extraordinary had happened and maybe either a feeling of glow or fatigue or both. I don't see you mentioning sn end to this peak experience though, more like it continued which would be more consistant with kundalini than with a drug. While it is possible in some rare cases to have a lingering experience after psychedelics it is pretty unusual especially after the first one. I don't know anyone who has been given this without their knowledge though so that feeling of lack of understanding how one got that way could have very far reaching effects. Like Jim said, regerdless of the cause the effects seem positive so I will agree to just happily practice AYP and glad you are here with us.
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Etherfish

USA
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Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  3:03:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit Etherfish's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
I have taken quite a few psychedelics back in the 70's, and was involved with a lot of other people who did also, including one who was involved with the original studies at the university of San Francisco, I think it was and Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert. He had some of the last LSD that was manufactured at the university.
Anyway, some of this experience doesn't sound anything like drug experiences I've known either in myself or the many other people I knew in those days. The most notable is the surge of energy and the lasting of several months. Although most people who did psychedelics would agree that it made permanent changes to them, notably the disconnecting from solid reality mentioned here, those changes were rarely manifested as a profound feeling months later. Usually there was a residual effect that lasted less than a week. People did experience "flashbacks", brief episodes that reminded them of the experience quite a bit later.
however, I have never heard of the "tremendous surge of energy" from psychedelics. There was always a release of sorts that manifested as a sort of freeing from prior obstructions, not a surge of energy. Even methamphetamines and cocaine that often gives people a lot of energy, usually manifests as them taking massive action and doing a lot of (stupid) things. it's not sitting still and feeling energy surges. Instead it gives them the desire to do a lot of things right now.
The floor moving like water IS an effect common with psychedelics, but the shimmering effect I've heard as a spiritual symptom. Drugs are more likely to produce a wavering, breathing, aztec or egyptian pattern and texture to things.
maybe it was an imminent awakening that was triggered by drugs? Or maybe no drugs at all. Is the awakening experience really something that manifests similarly in a lot of people? Drug experiences do.
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weaver

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Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  3:19:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fran

Hi everyone,

I've just joined the forum. Great to find it, to read Yogani's lesson's and to read about other people's Kundalini experiences ..... I am generally positive about life and am generally grateful for the blessings this transformation have given me .....

Hi Fran and welcome to the forum!

Thank you for this sharing about your life and kundalini awakening. It can take a long time for the energies to settle down and be integrated into the system, as you have found, and it's good to hear also that your life has come together again in such a positive way. Yes, this forum is a good place to be in touch with others about all of this!

All the best to you too!
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Hunter

USA
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Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  3:53:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit Hunter's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
A big welcome to you Fran,
I am glad that you shared your experience; I know that it can feel great to write everything down and introspect in order to get a more clear perspective on ones' own path and where the next step lies.

Take care.

Sincerely,
Hunter

P.S. Don't be shy to create a new topic when sharing your own experience. Your post may have gotten "lost" or easily overlooked in this current thread.

Edited by - Hunter on Jan 28 2007 3:56:52 PM
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Shanti

USA
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Posted - Jan 28 2007 :  4:13:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit Shanti's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fran

I eventually realised I needed to stop meditating, which although transcendental and expansive at the time, was leaving me unable to deal with my life. I felt I was balancing on a fine line between enlightenment and insanity and I wasn't sure which way I was going to fall. It got to the point when I was ready to refer myself to a Psychiatrist and considered that I may need anti-psychotics, yet thankfully my new boyfriend researched my symptoms on the internet and came to me with a pile of information on Kundalini Awakening, I was so relieved to read it all written down, what was happening to me, yet some of the stories made me feel even more concerned about my present state.

Now things look very differently and I am generally positive about life and am generally grateful for the blessings this transformation have given me. I've ended up getting back with my ex-boyfriend which felt like getting back with a part of my soul that I had left behind and I entered expanded consciousness. I'm also really well now and am managing to function in the world, although feel in it, but not of it. I still don't meditate as a result, yet feel I will start a little again soon,


Hi Fran,
Welcome to the forum.
Thank for sharing that. I too had gone through loads of kundalini experiences, and did not know it was kundalini, so I can feel what you are saying here.
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I still don't meditate as a result, yet feel I will start a little again soon

Great idea.. I think it would be good if you do go back to meditation (with a lot of self pacing of course) ... start off with deep meditation... Lesson 13 - Meditation -- Awakening the Silent Seed
... just 10 min .. twice a day.. and see how it goes. You see, (I have said this in another post).. our practice is designed to keep kundalini under control.. its just a matter of learning to fine tune it... too much will result in a kundalini flare up, but not doing at least a bit will eventually result in a flare up too.. so the best thing you could do would be, start off with 10 min of deep meditation twice a day. If doing this results in your kundalini symptoms increasing.. do 5 min.. twice a day.. Find what is your comfort zone, then once you are stable there, you can increase your time a bit.. but that is only if you feel like you need to. Another very important thing to keep in mind is, when you do start meditation.. take 5 or 10 min of rest after it.. lie down, if required, take a nap. Skipping the rest period results in symptoms like feeling disoriented, irritated, groggy.. so the rest is very important.

Wish you all the best.. (AYAMing)..

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Fran

United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 29 2007 :  05:41:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fran's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Weaver, Hunter and Shanti,

thanks for your responses and Shanti for your advice, appreciated. I feel I am at the point where I can begin to start meditating a little again.

Everyone,

Further questions related to awakening;
1) anyone find they are really sensitive to how what they eat affects how they feel?
2) how does it effect your working life and what you do to earn a living? (I am currently thinking of training to work for the health service although am concerned I will be too sensitive to tolerate such an environment)

Thanks for any responses,

Fran
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Shanti

USA
4842 Posts

Posted - Jan 29 2007 :  07:32:58 AM  Show Profile  Visit Shanti's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fran

Hi Weaver, Hunter and Shanti,

thanks for your responses and Shanti for your advice, appreciated. I feel I am at the point where I can begin to start meditating a little again.

Everyone,

Further questions related to awakening;
1) anyone find they are really sensitive to how what they eat affects how they feel?
2) how does it effect your working life and what you do to earn a living? (I am currently thinking of training to work for the health service although am concerned I will be too sensitive to tolerate such an environment)

Thanks for any responses,

Fran



Hi Fran,
Why dont you make a separate topic for yourself... that way, like Hunter said, you wont get lost in this thread..
If however, you prefer staying here, that is OK too.
Diet and meditation has been discussed here before... also how awakening has affected people's work choices.. I am in a rush right now, but will post you the links later.
Thanks for all your questions...
TTYL
-Shanti

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Fran

United Kingdom
20 Posts

Posted - Jan 30 2007 :  07:19:16 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fran's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Shanti,

I just wondered if you could point me in the direction of where you've wrote about meditation being a means to keep in under control. Only my own experience was that I'd gone so far spiritually I really needed to stop meditation all together to come back in to balance- and part of me still questions whether that is still the case really. I also wonder how not meditating could result in a flare up of symptoms?
Although, saying that a little meditation doesn't seem to be doing me any harm at the moment- I have been using the spinal breathing and I am for just a little while to center myself.

Thanks,

Fran
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Fran

United Kingdom
20 Posts

Posted - Jan 30 2007 :  07:28:07 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fran's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi again Shanti, actually I've just read what you've written on the subject and how it's helped you. I suppose I'm left wondering if it is like that for everyone, as in so many ways most of my unpleasant symptoms have dissipated anyway by stopping meditation. So part of me does hesitate to start gain, whether it will bring them back. Probably be wise to gradually read through all Yogani's lessons first,

Fran
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