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Posted - Jul 08 2020 :  12:17:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
Hello all,

I'm new to AYP but not new to yoga in general. Not at all experienced with DM. Started DM as instructed in the AYP lessons since about a week ago and this thing keeps happening.

My breath gets slow and silent on the inhale, then explosive (but effortless) on exhale, much like during sleep. I then seem to be very aware of the Centre of my skull (Ajna presumably?) and random imagery tends to appear there. All this time I'm trying to stay with I Am mantra.

It then feels like something is opening or expanding inside my skull - and I try not to think about it as we are not supposed to localize the mantra, but it seems very easy to kind of get lost in that imagery. When I do, the mantra stops. When I get back to the mantra, the images vanish for a bit.

I guess my question is, am I doing it right or am I just falling asleep?

Edited by - bbqmaster on Jul 08 2020 12:18:47 PM


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Posted - Jul 11 2020 :  07:03:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bbqmaster,

Yes, your practice is correct. Whenever you notice that you are off the mantra, simply easily favour the mantra with your attention again. So, it does not matter if your attention is being drawn away by thoughts, or imagery in the mind, or sensations, or the breath. Simply follow the procedure of easily favouring the mantra, over anything else happening.

In terms of location of the mantra, the mantra will tend to move to different locations in the body, depending on where the inner purification is needed. Or, it may take no location at all. If you notice that the mantra is locating in a particular place, treat that noticing as any other thought and favour the mantra with your attention.

The process of deep meditation will cause many things to happen in the subtle neurobiology, but it is important to remain with the practice rather than getting lost in the scenery of the transformations that are taking place.

The sensation of feeling as if you are falling asleep, can also happen during meditation, especially as the mind begins to become quieter. This is just a stage on the path and will pass.

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Posted - Jul 11 2020 :  08:48:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the reply Christi! I guess I needed some confirmation that this is normal. Happens almost instantly when I start thinking the mantra, in the morning.

Here's another detail question: when you think the mantra, it's like saying it to yourself over and over again in your own voice, right? Or do you ever listen to try to hear the mantra?

Thanks again!
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Posted - Jul 11 2020 :  09:04:04 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bbqmaster,

Yes, the technique is to repeat the mantra over and over, silently in the mind. At a certain stage in the process, the mantra can become automatic, and if this happens we are then "hearing" the mantra repeating, rather than repeating it deliberately.

But stopping the mantra in order to listen to see if you can hear it or not, is not part of the practice. That would be a listening practice (listening for something that may or may not be there) and that is not what AYP Deep Meditation is. There are schools of yoga that do do this as a practice, and it is called "Nada Yoga".

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Posted - Jul 11 2020 :  7:07:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot, that was very helpful I will not try to listen for it anymore.
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Posted - Jul 12 2020 :  08:37:57 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted - Jul 20 2020 :  1:14:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a quick update, about 20 days or so into it. DM is starting to feel really powerful. To the point where I've cut down on SBP from 5 mins to about 2-3 mins. I'm also doing some beginner level nadi shodhana with kumbhaka pre-sbp, and I had to cut that down from 10 mins to about 5 mins also.

The DM continues like I mentioned in my first post, I quickly go into a sort of dreamlike state. Coming out of it, if I try I can remember bits of the thoughts I had but most are forgotten, like a dream when waking up. I know they're just scenery :). I must be doing something right though, because the ecstatic element is increasingly there during dm. It's starting to feel like energy work, which is why I've cut down on the pranayamas.

As soon as I start thinking ayam the centre of my skull 'opens' and quickly becomes filled with pleasure. That is not entirely new, I've experienced it on psychedelics. However for a few days now, the ecstasy has expanded to the back of my skull. The mantra resonates throughout the spine, right? There is a point there, right where the spine joins the skull. It was so intense today that I felt like sticking a couple fingers in there, to try to feel inside It doesn't happen every time I sit, but often enough.

Guys, what's at the back / base of the skull?

At other times there is a LOT of activity down there Also my breath slows down considerably, and stops for short intervals (5-10 seconds). It stops right where the lungs want to stop after a casual exhale, there is still air inside and no voluntary pressure on the abdomen. Is this how it's supposed to happen & develop?

Anyway the dm is clearly starting to overflow into daily life in beneficial ways, and although there is some increased irritability it is manageable. I am feeling so happy & blessed today, which is most unusual since Monday mornings are saved for anger & anxiety & being miserable. My breath is very balanced / open on both nostrils almost all day long, every day.

Good signs right? Thanks guys just wanted to share
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Posted - Jul 21 2020 :  06:42:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bbqmaster,

On the back of the head there are a number of minor chakras. When they activate it can feel quite intense and ecstatic. As you say, it is just scenery and will pass in time.

And yes, spontaneous breath suspension (kumbhaka) can start to happen. It is caused by the relationship between the mind, breath and subtle energy in the body. When the mind begins to calm down, the subtle energy flows begin to temporarily suspend and this can cause the breath to suspend as well. It is nothing to be concerned about. Your body will need less oxygen at these times, as the functions of the body are being partially supported by prana. When you need to breathe again, it will happen. Powerful purification happens during these moments of spontaneous kumbhaka.

You may find the second answer from this lesson helpful:

Lesson 378 - How Does Pranayama Awaken Kundalini?

And these lesson additions:

Addition 378.2 - Natural vs. Intentional Kumbhaka (Breath Retention)

Addition 378.3 - The Breathless State

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