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CarsonZi
Canada
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 Posted - Dec 20 2014 : 7:28:33 PM
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Hi friends,
Just wanted to see if anyone else has experience with/experienced an orgasm in which they felt like they were right on the precipice of heart (or even just general body) failure.
For reference, the "style" of orgasms I have been experiencing for the last several years are like nothing I have never ever heard another talk about... not in any community, including the tantra community. The orgasms usually last around 10 minutes and are characterized by all manner of dramatic kriyas, automatic breathing, mudras/bandhas and concluding with uncontrollable laughter. We often joke about making a comedy porno just because of how ridiculous it looks and what kind of reactions people would have.
Anyway, I had an orgasm yesterday that was bar none, the most intense, and scariest, orgasm I have ever had. There was a very long build up, over an hour I believe and when I finally orgasmed there was a "flood" that filled all aspects of "me" and the flow was so strong that my physical hands and forehead felt like they were literally on fire. I broke into a full body sweat as soon as the flood hit my third eye chakra (wasn't sweaty at all before) and there was a literal puddle of sweat that appeared on the third eye (I was laying on my back).
If I had sat up, I am 100% certain I would have passed out, if not worse. I very much feel/felt like I was on the edge of heart (or other organ) failure and was very aware that I was in a dangerous physical position.
My questions are:
1: Is anybody else experiencing orgasms like I normally do (or anything that sounds similar)?
2: Has anyone ever felt like they just about physically died from orgasming so hard?
3. Anyone ever felt their hands and 3rd eye burst into flames during an orgasm?
Thanks for any feedback. 
Love,
Carson  |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 20 2014 : 8:48:15 PM
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Just want to say one thing...
I work for an OPO (organ procurement organization), so we deal with death all day. The hospital reports all kinds of scenarios when death occurs, and one of those is mid-intercourse. It's always the males that die of heart attack. Seems like it happens about once every couple months.
I have no idea what your cardiovascular health is, but it is possible to have a heart attack during intercourse, so I would proceed cautiously.
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 08:58:30 AM
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Hi Bodhi,
Thanks for the warning, I definitely plan to proceed cautiously. Although, dying from an orgasm would be probably the best way to go IMO. 
Regarding my cardiovascular health, as far as I know, it's optimal. I take my blood pressure readings on average of once a month and they are usually in the 115/75 range with a resting heart rate around 55bpm. I also regularly skateboard, which is an intense cardiovascular workout (especially the way I skate  ), withlittle to no issues (other than I sometimes will skate until I puke from exhaustion... but that usually takes a couple hours of solid skating at least).
Love,
Carson |
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Anima
484 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 09:10:26 AM
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Dear Carson,
I haven't experienced fire in the hands and forehead, but have experienced the rest of it. Actually, some through extended solo tantra sessions more recently, and some through past, dangerous solo practice (which involved asphyxiation and actually almost killed me once).
Three questions:
1. Are you both sober while undertaking this activity, or are there blood-pressure or mind-altering substances involved?
2. Are you breathing normally, modifying, or having trouble breathing through intercourse and climax?
3. Have you noticed changes in your physical or emotional health lately?
For me, tantra is just too intense in anything but very small doses. Self-pacing is definitely called for here. Also, you may want to see a doctor, especially if you can afford it and are scared. Sorry if this is not understanding you.
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Edited by - Anima on Dec 21 2014 09:20:13 AM |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 09:37:31 AM
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Hi Anima and thanks for discussing
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Originally posted by Anima Deorum
Three questions:
1. Are you both sober while undertaking this activity, or are there blood-pressure or mind-altering substances involved?
We were both completely sober during this particular exchange.
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Originally posted by Anima Deorum
2. Are you breathing normally, modifying, or having trouble breathing through intercourse and climax?
I am breathing normally, not doing any breathing practices (although during orgasms SBP usually naturally happens) and am having no troubles breathing during the sex. During the orgasm I am no longer in control of the rate or way I breathe and there is all kind of breathing changes that happen. Usually there is a wide range of kumbhaka, bastrika and mudras/bandhas happening. For example, during the 1-2 minute mark (or there-abouts) during orgasm there is usually a point where the breath is held at the top and uddiyana bandha naturally happens so strongly that you could touch my spine through my stomach. Sometimes nauli happens at this point but not always. I never try to "do" any of this... it all happens on it's own.
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Originally posted by Anima Deorum
3. Have you noticed changes in your physical or emotional health lately?
Yes, but all have been positive changes. There was a very massive emotional opening (for both me and my wife) when we decided to officially take our relationship status to "polyamorous" (see my Polyamory thread for more on that).
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Originally posted by Anima Deorum
For me, tantra is just too intense in anything but very small doses. Self-pacing is definitely called for here. Also, you may want to see a doctor, especially if you can afford it and are scared. Sorry if this is not understanding you.
Luckily I live in Canada where a trip to the doctor is always free, no matter how many times you go, but, I have spent WAAAAY too much time at the doctor lately (dealing with my elbow reconstruction due early in 2015) and have yet to make another trip in there for this. I'm not entirely sure how I would explain this one to an MD anyway.
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Dec 21 2014 09:47:40 AM |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 11:09:59 AM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
Thanks for the warning, I definitely plan to proceed cautiously. Although, dying from an orgasm would be probably the best way to go IMO.
Go out with a bang? Hehehe...actually, I used to build swimming pools, and my boss was a Spanish man who said that his grandfather would sing a Spanish song with a refrain that basically translated as: "I want to die making love." So I think you are not alone in your exuberant desire for peak experiences.
But, on that note, I do find it worthy to mention that tantra, as prescribed by AYP, is more of the "easily favoring" variety rather than a strenuous effort to "break through". I've tried to break through and I get burned every time. It's all about finesse and transcendence. To transcend, our touch has to become increasingly delicate.
I wish I could report in more depth about tantra partner experiences, but mine is still limited. However, what is slowly rising is this subtle but palpable swell of divine love, in which I seem to fall in love with everyone, even women that I previously would have deemed unattractive. Yesterday I went to the grocery store, and there was a girl with Down syndrome, and in a very quiet way, there was this effortless flow of agape (universal love) between us.
So, just as a reminder, I think the trick is: less is more. It's not about breaking through, but easily sliding into the higher states of being.
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 11:22:37 AM
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Hi Bodhi,
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Go out with a bang?
Better than slowly fading away perhaps? Hahaha, I'll take death however it comes.
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
So I think you are not alone in your exuberant desire for peak experiences.
Not looking for peak experiences. Just using sex as a medium for intimate connecting. It works.
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
But, on that note, I do find it worthy to mention that tantra, as prescribed by AYP, is more of the "easily favoring" variety rather than a strenuous effort to "break through". I've tried to break through and I get burned every time. It's all about finesse and transcendence. To transcend, our touch has to become increasingly delicate.
Not sure what you mean by breaking through... nor what you think I am trying to break through to... especially in reference to how it applies to the situation under discussion. Perhaps you can clarify?
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
I wish I could report in more depth about tantra partner experiences, but mine is still limited. However, what is slowly rising is this subtle but palpable swell of divine love, in which I seem to fall in love with everyone, even women that I previously would have deemed unattractive. Yesterday I went to the grocery store, and there was a girl with Down syndrome, and in a very quiet way, there was this effortless flow of agape (universal love) between us.
That's beautiful. I'm the same way. I can feel the flow of love with someone without ever speaking to them and with as little as a single moment of eye contact. I've written about the pros and cons of having this "conditioning" numerous times here on the AYP forums so I won't say much more here.
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
So, just as a reminder, I think the trick is: less is more. It's not about breaking through, but easily sliding into the higher states of being.
Perhaps you think I'm trying to break through to "higher states of being?" I appreciate the reminder, just think you are misinterpreting the reasons we are having sex. I agree, less is more.
Love,
Carson |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 12:15:41 PM
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Yes, let me try to clarify why I mention the characteristic of "breaking through". You listed the following symptoms:
-Full body sweating
-Sense of impending danger due to heart failure
-On the verge of passing out
Those sound like symptoms of strain and intense physical exertion, rather than the more subtle symptoms of tantric intimacy.
One of the most beautiful tantric images of intimacy I've heard about is that the lovers can be intertwined and sustain a high level of ecstasy without even moving. Relaxed arousal, you know?
What you describe sounds more feverish than ecstatic. And where there is delirium, or fever, there is usually a compulsion to break through. Where there is relaxation and calmness, the style is more reflective of an intimacy with less friction.
But again, I am just regurgitating the AYP party line on such matters (as well as my own vision/desire for intimacy), so if you have found a gateway that suits your needs, more power to you. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 12:52:05 PM
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Hi Bodhi,
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Yes, let me try to clarify why I mention the characteristic of "breaking through".
So by "breaking through" you mean engaging in intensive physical effort? I'm still not understanding what you think I'm trying to break through *to*
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
You listed the following symptoms:
-Full body sweating
-Sense of impending danger due to heart failure
-On the verge of passing out
Those sound like symptoms of strain and intense physical exertion, rather than the more subtle symptoms of tantric intimacy.
The sweating happened literally instantly, the same as when the body goes into shock. And it happened about 15-20 seconds into orgasm... wasn't sweating prior to that at all (after an hour or so of tantric sex). The last time I experienced this was when I was having inner ear surgery (while awake). In a single instant my whole body broke out into a sweat and I began shaking like a leaf (energy shakes). I didn't get the shakes this time but I definitely got the sweating like the body had gone into shock. So, just to clarify, the sweating had nothing to do with intense effort at all... it was entirely caused by the "energy flood" hitting the third eye (no sweat prior to that moment).
The sense of potential heart failure (and potentially passing out) was due to my heart POUNDING in my chest, my vision going "starry" (this can happen for many reasons, energetic reasons being one) and just having this general sense of "don't let your head go (physically) above your heart" (similar to the sensation of being about to pass out and having to put your head between your knees in an effort to maintain consciousness). Again, this wasn't due to physical exertion (I wasn't even close to being overexerted) but due to the strength and intensity of both the orgasm and the energy flood.
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
One of the most beautiful tantric images of intimacy I've heard about is that the lovers can be intertwined and sustain a high level of ecstasy without even moving. Relaxed arousal, you know?
Yeah, I know. And for much of the actual sex, there is, at times, very little physical movement. Both Dee and I can orgasm without touching each other (literally at all) and can have full ecstatic reverie from just laying in union without movement. So yes, I can understand (and experience) what you are calling "relaxed arousal."
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
What you describe sounds more feverish than ecstatic. And where there is delirium, or fever, there is usually a compulsion to break through. Where there is relaxation and calmness, the style is more reflective of an intimacy with less friction.
These two sentences kinda irked me to be honest. Both sentences reflect (at least from my perception) your obvious projections. You assume (based on the symptoms I describe and your mental understanding of tantric sex) that our sex is feverish and that we are both trying very hard to have a peak orgasmic experience. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
But again, I am just regurgitating the AYP party line on such matters (as well as my own vision/desire for intimacy), so if you have found a gateway that suits your needs, more power to you.
The only "needs" here are to explore, and potentially open space for the enhancement of, our feelings for one another. Hope that clarifies things a bit more.
Love,
Carson |
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Dogboy
USA
2192 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 4:27:19 PM
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 4:52:15 PM
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Well, I don't want to irk you, but I think it's important to draw a line between reproductive sex and tantric sex. If there is ejaculation, the sex falls under the reproductive category, yes? Brahmacharya is the cultivation and preservation of sexual energy for the purpose of divine communion, and if there is ejaculation, where is the preservation?
Since beginning Deep Meditation and other AYP stuff, I've had sex with the intention of doing it tantrically, but I've rarely succeeded. So yes, I am projecting onto you. But on the same note, I don't post about my pre-conceived tantric intentions that turned into reproductive sex. This is still the tantra forum, yes? It's not a forum for talking about our experiences of amazing ejaculation, right? Not that's there's anything wrong with ejaculation, but it's just outside the scope of brahmacharya. [Although Yogani says it won't be energetically draining or detrimental if we ejaculate no more than once a week. So, there is some gray area here.]
As usual, I admire your candid and forthright stories, but I'm just trying to bring it back home to the parameters of tantra...that's all. Your post also seemed to be a red flag in terms of health concerns, hence my initial reply of leaning towards a more conservative view. On that note, I'm very glad that the sweating was not a result of over-exertion or strain. Sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your wife that is full of divine love. That's inspirational to me. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 5:00:35 PM
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Hi Dogboy,
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Originally posted by Dogboy
Sounds like a mega-purification bomb went off. Has it happened since? Are you afraid of it happening again?
I have had one orgasm since this instance and it was not of the same intensity as the previous one. We took some extra measures this time to ensure safety though... for example, I chose to have an external orgasm this time. For me, external orgasms are generally shorter in duration (maybe 5 mins instead of 10) and weaker in the energy flow intensity (although I do still have kriyas and automatic breathing etc) and this one was no different. Granted having sex twice in two days is not the usual for us and is likely to cause a bit weaker of an orgasm on the second day, so there are possibly several reasons why the intensity level was different... not the least of which being that I didn't *want* to have that strong of an orgasm again.
Just for documentation sake, there were some after effects that have stuck with me the past two days that I feel are worth mentioning. One thing I have noticed is that my left ring finger, right under where I wear my wedding band, is burned slightly... almost like a sunburn. I believe this is from some kind of energy interaction that happened between the silver ring on my finger and the energy in the hands during the "my hands are on fire" moments. I have also noticed an increase in "third eye vision" (seeing auras, energy fields, the electricity in the air etc) and my dreams last two nights were the most intense that I have had in several years (same for my wife). Just thought it was worth documenting incase a similar experience happens again and some inferences can be drawn.
Love,
Carson |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 5:09:31 PM
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Hi Bodhi,
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Well, I don't want to irk you, but I think it's important to draw a line between reproductive sex and tantric sex. If there is ejaculation, the sex falls under the reproductive category, yes?
Sure. So, just for your information, there was no ejaculation during this incident, and I probably only ejaculate a few times a year. Those are usually times when I am overloaded with energy, to the point of migraines, and external orgasms help alleviate the excess "pressure."
quote:
Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Brahmacharya is the cultivation and preservation of sexual energy for the purpose of divine communion, and if there is ejaculation, where is the preservation?
Yes, I'm aware of the definition of bramacharya. What you don't seem to be aware of is the fact that I didn't, and rarely do, orgasm with ejaculation. I don't have to block either (just FYI) as it's "all natural" now for the body to pull the semen in.
quote:
Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
As usual, I admire your candid and forthright stories, but I'm just trying to bring it back home to the parameters of tantra...that's all.
Very noble of you. But, this incident occurred during tantric sex, done with the intentions of intimate human connecting and the cultivation and preservation of ecstatic energy, so your assumption that we engage in sex with ejaculation, is just that, an assumption (an incorrect one).
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Your post also seemed to be a red flag in terms of health concerns, hence my initial reply of leaning towards a more conservative view.
Hence my posting the thread. This post was made entirely because of the possible health concern... not to brag about my orgasms.
All the best.
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Dec 21 2014 5:16:05 PM |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 5:23:44 PM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
Very noble of you.
LMAO.  Well, that's always what I've wanted to be...a noble man.
Alas, an inner orgasm! All my speculation was for naught.  Thank you for bringing it back home. [Insert emoticon for noble bow] |
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Parallax
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 7:38:39 PM
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Hey Carson!!
How are you my brother?
So I have never experienced anything like what you described, so unfortunately don't have a lot to offer, but...wow...that sounds intense! All I can imagine is that it is energetic overload stemming from the big opening you recently had coupled with an hour of pre-orgasmic energetic stimulation. Also, with Dee also having a big opening as well, I have to think that the combined energy was amplified that much more.
Has Dee experienced any after effects?
Stay safe bro, don't want you to spontaneously burst into flames or go up like a roman candle
Love to you and Dee...miss you! |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 7:55:38 PM
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Hey Parallax!
Been too long.
I guess my only problem with going straight to the "energetic overload" diagnosis is that:
1. Except for my burnt ring finger and some purification dreams, I'm fine today.
2. There may be a physical reason for concern that I might overlook by buying fully into this diagnosis.
That said, you are probably right.
The only after effects that Dee has experienced is an increase in purification-style dreams and an increase in "reasonless ecstasy." Both the kids have had better a couple better-than-usual days as well and they both slept the whole night through last night, which, I'm pretty sure has *never* happened since Akasha was born over 2.5yrs ago.
Love to you too! Hope you and the family have a stellar holiday season. I'm probably going to be on your side of the continent in a few months, will see if I can't hook up with you guys.
Much love!
Carson |
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Parallax
USA
347 Posts |
Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 9:23:26 PM
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My only reason for thinking it might be energetic overload was that there was a lot of energetic stuff going on and it seemed like an overload...at least in the moment  but of course I am no doctor (kundalini or otherwise) so definitely get it checked out if you think there may be a more acute physical reason behind it.
Sounds like its working out OK for Dee, reasonless ecstasy doesn't seem so horrible
Hope the kids eventually get into a sounder sleep pattern...we're still working on it over here after 11 tired years
Let me know whenever you're coming back toward the east coast and we would love to hook up...the kids still ask when they are going to get to see my fun friend with all of the tattoos again
Give your family hugs for me and have a fantastic holiday!!
Love
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lalow33
USA
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Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 10:53:04 AM
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Hi Carson,
I've experienced #3, burning of the hands and forehead. Probably not on the level you are describing. It burnt for awhile then changed to a very pleasurable warm flame. Only once, didn't feel the need to change anything. I'm female and have never practice Tantra although sex just changed on its own.
It could just be what I call a clamping down after an opening. A freeing realization: " Oh I'm free" then Life (God) says " Oh no you're not!"
P.S. I noticed on another thread you are referring to energy as light. In my experience, this is how healers speak. Are you doing healing work? I just ask because this may be complicating things for you. |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 12:40:30 PM
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Hi Parallax,
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Originally posted by Parallax
My only reason for thinking it might be energetic overload was that there was a lot of energetic stuff going on and it seemed like an overload...at least in the moment but of course I am no doctor (kundalini or otherwise) so definitely get it checked out if you think there may be a more acute physical reason behind it.
I've never known energetic overload to come and go so fast... usually it sneaks up on me and stays for at least a week. Perhaps though, as everything seems to be "moving very fast" these days (and what is movement other than "coming and going") this is a new phase or something where energy overload doesn't "stick" for long? Who knows. Not really sure what I would say to an MD about this that wouldn't have me committed. May go in for a general heart checkup or something (I'll reference my Grandpa's heart problems or something) and just make sure everything is as it should be.
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Originally posted by Parallax
Sounds like its working out OK for Dee, reasonless ecstasy doesn't seem so horrible
Honestly, Dee is doing better than I've ever seen her... perhaps better than she's ever been. She's happier, more energized, calmer, filled with love... she inspires me.
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Originally posted by Parallax
Hope the kids eventually get into a sounder sleep pattern...we're still working on it over here after 11 tired years
Yes, I remember that we have had similar sleeping issues with our kids. Akasha again slept in her bed the whole night through last night. This is 3 nights in a row and that for sure has never happened before in her (short) life. I had forgotten until last night when we were falling asleep that I had put a "shield" around the house a few days ago (the day I posted how to make a shield on Giacomo's "final goodbye" thread) and I believe this has made a big difference.
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Originally posted by Parallax
Let me know whenever you're coming back toward the east coast and we would love to hook up...the kids still ask when they are going to get to see my fun friend with all of the tattoos again
You guys rule... I can't wait to see you all again.
Hi lalow,
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Originally posted by lalow33
I've experienced #3, burning of the hands and forehead.
I just have to say... goddamn am I relieved that someone else has experienced this. I can easily let myself ruminate on sh*t that seems to only happen to me, so it's relieving when someone else tells me that they have had a similar experience.
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Originally posted by lalow33
It could just be what I call a clamping down after an opening. A freeing realization: " Oh I'm free" then Life (God) says " Oh no you're not!"
I call it "Life balancing." For every positive there is a negative... whether we choose to be aware of it or not. Usually, at least for me, these "clampings" come in the form of hard life lessons and not energetic bitch slaps. That said, Life doesn't play by my rules and you could very well be right.
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Originally posted by lalow33
P.S. I noticed on another thread you are referring to energy as light. In my experience, this is how healers speak. Are you doing healing work? I just ask because this may be complicating things for you.
Nothing formal, but yes, healing is something that can happen. I'm particularly bad at it though (aka I find that I get a lot of negative effects) as I have a tendency to hold onto the other's "stuff" that is released during the healing. I use acupuncture as a medium for healing myself from the healings (hahaha) and this works very very very well for me (although it does allow me to *not* learn this lesson). I've been trying to recognize when I hold onto someone else's stuff but I'm still learning. The acupuncturist has given me some great tips and some helpful insight (just a month or so ago) that I feel has been incredibly helpful and I haven't had any difficulties since (although it is still very early). What she (the acupuncturist) clued me into was the fact that I willingly (although unconsciously) have been holding onto others' "karma" due to the incorrect perspective that it is "noble" to do so. When she pointed out to me that I'm holding onto others' stuff, and I chose to actually look at this straight on, I immediately burst into uncontrollable sobbing... it was like I was letting go of a big part of "me"... and in many ways I was.
So, the TL:DR answer would be; "Yes, there is healing happening, and yes, it is likely complicating things for me." Do you have any advice regarding this?
Love,
Carson
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 22 2014 : 6:22:39 PM
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Hi Carson,
All the symptoms you describe are classic kundalini symptoms so no need to worry. The heart beating so fast that it feels as if it will explode is not uncommon, so no need to go to the doctors over that one. Also the sweating is normal and quite common and the experience of moisture pooling at the third eye is common for people who have the nectar cycle happening. The laughter is emotional release happening and is also normal during mid-stage kundalini.
If you are concerned about the whole thing then you could self-pace your practices for a while (including tantric practices).
Over time the experience of sweating during sex or during spiritual practices will stop, as will the experience of heat in the hands and at the third eye. The sensation of heat is caused by friction as the chakras in the palms of the hands and the ajna chakra are being cleansed. The pooling at the third eye will continue during sex and will also happen eventually during sitting practices and also outside of sitting practices. At some point it will also be felt at the crown and there will be the sensation of drops, or beads of oil dripping from the third eye and crown. This is the gradual expansion of the nectar cycle into the higher centres.
Ultimately, although it may not seem like it, it is all leading to the purification of the heart and to a life lived in outpouring divine love. The expansion of kundalini upwards and the evolution of the nectar cycle both play a part in that and that is what you are going through.
So the things you are experiencing are all signs of progress. When you begin to feel the pooling of liquid at the third eye, a lot of purification is happening in the body, so during these times it is really important to be aware of what your body can handle and what it can't and pace yourself accordingly.
Take it easy and enjoy.
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Running Water
Belgium
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Posted - Dec 23 2014 : 1:52:34 PM
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Carzon,
I was just reading J.Dixon's Biology of Kundalini and it made me think on what you wrote .
http://www.biologyofkundalini.com/
If you look at the left side : under Symptomology , you'll find Inner-Conjunction.
Hope you can recognize something in what J. Dixon is describing.
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Radharani
USA
843 Posts |
Posted - Dec 23 2014 : 11:31:20 PM
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Hey, Carson -
I tend to agree with what Christi said. Sounds like kundalini to me. I can certainly understand your concern, given that it is very possible for people to have heart attacks during sex (which is why Viagra commercials say, "Ask you doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex."). However, given your physically active lifestyle and great BP and heart rate, you don't sound like a candidate for a heart attack. On the other hand, it might put your mind at ease to see your (free) doctor for a cardiac workup and then you will be reassured.
There have been a couple of times when the tantric energy with my husband and I has gotten so intense, including lots of crown activity, roaring "music of the spheres," trembling and involuntary breathing patterns, etc., that I seriously wondered if we were going to exit through our crown chakras at that very moment! So far we haven't, but... yeah, that kind of intensity can be a bit scary, especially if you are concerned about possible underlying health issues. But I would bet it's kundalini. enjoy, bro! |
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Dec 29 2014 : 5:06:50 PM
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Hi Christi,
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Originally posted by Christi
If you are concerned about the whole thing then you could self-pace your practices for a while (including tantric practices).
Haven't been doing any formal practices since Jan 2012... I'm getting *real* good at self pacing. Tantra is perhaps the only "practice" I could be said to still actively engage in, and well, I'd rather be dead than live life without sex, so... I'll perhaps just nudge myself into "less spiritual sex."
Hi Running Water,
I've perused the BOK website many times over the years, and remember reading the inner conjunction article years ago, but I just refreshed myself on it again. There are some things that are similar to the experience that prompted this posting but I don't believe this is the same. The reason I'm pretty certain of this is because I have had a few experiences like what is described in the BOK article, but this one was different in a few ways. The main difference would be that there wasn't a typical "samadhi" experience in this like there would normally be.
Hi Radharani,
Oh, there's no doubt this was kundalini... it was just experienced in a way that is untypical for me, and borderline alarming. That said, what I have come to believe in hindsight is that I completely and 100% overdid it on this one. There was too much energy cultivated and I got burned. What is very different this time around though (I am no stranger to burning myself with overdoing) was the entire lack of overload symptoms. The sunburnt ring finger was the entirety of overload symptoms whereas in the past I probably would have had a plethora of other ailments that would have lasted for weeks. Perhaps a sign that I am (finally) trending towards balance.
Love,
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 01:13:45 AM
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Hi Carson,
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Haven't been doing any formal practices since Jan 2012... I'm getting *real* good at self pacing. Tantra is perhaps the only "practice" I could be said to still actively engage in, and well, I'd rather be dead than live life without sex, so... I'll perhaps just nudge myself into "less spiritual sex."
Sexual tantric practice is a powerful spiritual practice and does need to be paced carefully in order not to get out of control. Yogani does not recommend it as a stand-alone practice because of potential energy problems that can arise:
"tantric sex does not make a good end in itself. It does not stand alone as yoga practice. By itself, tantric sex is a weak practice for globally purifying the nervous system. Meditation and pranayama are the primary tools for this." [Yogani]
http://www.aypsite.org/T2.html
It certainly sounds like cutting back on tantric sexual practice for a while and cultivating a daily meditation practice again would be the way to go. Sometimes, less is more.
Christi |
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 09:13:08 AM
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Hi Christi,
As I've posted about many many times here at the AYP Forums since the beginning of 2012, actively practicing meditation, pranayama or anything else is no longer healthy for me... it causes unbalance on just about every level now. And it also causes my children to have (sometimes severe) adverse reactions to the amount of kundalini energy in the household.
And just so we're clear, active tantric sexual "practices" are not engaged in here either... we just have really good (tantric) sex, because it's better than "regular" sex. I'm no longer seeking to purify myself (that happens without any "trying"), I'm no longer trying to achieve enlightenment, I'm just happily living life one day at a time and staying aware of myself and my environment so that I can learn the lessons required to have me hurting others around me (and myself) less.
Living my life according to someone else's guidelines (yours, Yogani's, my wife's, society's) is not something I am interested in. The path is entirely unique for each of us, and eventually we will all realize that trying to walk in someone else's footsteps is actually a hindrance and keeping us from being authentically ourselves. It's a hard lesson to learn but one I am extremely thankful to have finally surrendered to.
All the best.
Love,
Carson
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 6:43:41 PM
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Hi Carson,
I have been following your situation for some time and I am aware that you spent many years over-doing spiritual practices and have suffered somewhat as a result of that. I am also aware that you are now- to some degree at least- trying to find some balance and stability again by not engaging in most spiritual practices.
Tantric sexual practices are very powerful and can be a destabilizing factor when there are already ongoing stability issues involved. It doesn't actually make any difference if tantric practices are engaged in deliberately, or just for the fun of it. The energetic effects will be exactly the same. When tantric sexual practices are the only spiritual practices being used (consciously or unconsciously), they can lead to ongoing energy imbalance and instability, as Yogani mentioned in the lesson I quoted from. So that is something to watch out for going forward.
As for walking in someone else's footsteps, that is certainly not something you need to do. But taking advice from others who have walked the same path you are on, and who are able to warn you about some of the pitfalls in the road ahead, is often a wise thing to do.
At times it can feel as if we are not walking any path at all, in which case, why take advantage of anyone else's advice? It can feel this way sometimes, but it is actually an illusion. We are all evolving, and moving in a certain direction whether deliberately, or simply being swept along by the evolutionary nature of the human condition. As you say, purification happens without you even trying.
Gradually, the illusion of self and other falls away. As that happens, the idea that there are "other people's guidelines" that we can either follow or rebel against, is also seen to be simply a play within the mind. We see that what at first appeared to belong to others, in fact doesn't. We create everything in order to learn and evolve and when we are ready, it dissolves before our eyes even as we see that it did not exist in the first place.
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