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bewell
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 Posted - Nov 07 2010 : 3:19:31 PM
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Originally posted by Perrin
I was introduced to talabya kriya as a preliminary exercise for achieving kechari. (Ennio Nimis’s site has an accurate description of the technique.)
Hi Perrin!
Welcome to AYP forum.
I was unable to find Ennio Nimis’s description. I did, however, find this description of talabya kria: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....TOPIC_ID=415 br /
Is that what you did? |
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Perrin
USA
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Posted - Nov 10 2010 : 2:50:23 PM
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Hi bewell. 'Scraping the tongue on the lower teeth.' Eeek indeed.
No, what I was introduced to, which is identical to what Nimis describes, only involves stretching the frenum & tongue in a completely natural way (not even using the fingers). I felt a small amount of irritation under the tongue the 1st few days, but then no discomfort at all. Rather than detailing it myself, I'll direct you to Nimis. You may not have been able to find the info before because it's embedded in a PDF.
Go to
http://www.kriyayogainfo.net/Eng_Downloads1.html
and download the PDF titled 'Second Part.' (I would strongly encourage you to read all 3 parts--it's an invaluable document--but 'Second' has most of the techniques.) Look at pages 93-4 & 110-113.
Best, Perrin |
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Asvinas
Australia
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 : 09:07:54 AM
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Hi all! This is my first time here, and I have to say thanks to this board as well as the AYP Kechari website for teaching me how to do it - I was surprised I could get to stage two quite quickly after practising and playing around in stage 1 for a week. When I first heard about kechari (somehow stumbled upon it while looking for further meditation techniques and mudras), it just sounded like a really kinky form of sex. You know, the tongue, penetrating the soft palate...
And yeah, I would get a hard on just reading and imaging what it would be like (he he spiritual porn anyone?)
Despite my initial thoughts about it, I gave it a try, I mean, curiosity got the better of me and on the day I got into stage 2... It was like I had been penetrated in my head, instead of my ass. Same sort of feeling, just with more emotional intensity and courses round your body, giving you more energy to do anything.
It was not a bad thing at all - definitely better than sex, that's for sure! And it doesn't seem to come with any crashdowns - all the experiences I had in meditation somehow became more intensified and easier to fall into while I was in Kechari.
Oh yeah, I was off with the birdies for a few days before my body got used to it! I'm well grounded right now, so won't be off with the birdies for a while! Kechari Mudra also has had a great energy amplifying effect when I need it, which is definitely a good thing. Although too much of it can make one feel like they're not of this world at all!
It also has made my body do funny things that I wouldn't have done - such as not wanting to eat meat or even slightly processed food. It also has made me want to retreat from people and meditate more than usual, especially when I've been at uni all day. However, it has made meditation a million times easier to do, and it also has encouraged the mind from thinking about any lower desires at all esp in the fields of sex - definitely a good thing in more ways than one!
At the mo, I'm kinda at stage 3, getting closer and closer to the spiritual meadow at the top of the nasal passages.
A couple times, I've had bits of food get lodged in the passages, and I have to say, being able to clear it out easily using kechari mudra is pretty damn handy!
Should I keep going or slow down if it gets all a bit too much? I mean, I feel as though I have had experienced all this before yet my current body may not be ready for this.
And yes, after reading most of your experiences with kechari mudra, I've had mind blowing experiences too, long before I even considered doing meditation seriously.
One of the things I used to do all the time when I was a kid was put my hand to my eyes and lose myself in all the rainbow colors and patterns that would appear out of my vision, all which would fade away into a weirdly persistent jewel eye thing floating in front of my vision that would fluctuate between green, blue, yellow and white... I didn't realise that I had been doing both Sambhavi and Yoni mudra all that time!
I even used to scare my friends at school by holding and subsequently hiding my tongue to the roof of the mouth and show them just the frenem! It freaked them out! That was fun to do and I enjoyed trying to hold my jaw down as much as my tongue would allow. That turned out to be Manduki Mudra.
I even went through various stages of head, eye, ear and nose twitching. It was weirdly pleasurable and somewhat comforting, as though I was making music in my head, despite the fact it would drive others crazy with thoughts that I was insane! So I stopped doing them. I guess I must have been activating both Ajna and Vishuddha at the same time by doing those repetitive movements.
I had a weird experience not too long ago - when I was lying in bed, ready to drop off any moment, I thought I'd open up Vishuddha and stay in the limbo mode (theta state) to better experience deep sleep. I played around in that state and decided to expand the bubble around Vishuddha. I felt it start to burst and boy, I was not expecting this feeling of freedom at all. As soon as it burst, the cosmic energy around came rushing into the throat and a myriad of hummings would be heard all round. I felt sort of pleasantly free, feeling a sort of inner vibration coming from the throat region as well as from beyond.
What I was totally not prepared for next was after a while of listening/feeling to the vibrations around, an inner sort of bubble expanded from the throat region into the tip of my tongue, pushing out into the vibrational field beyond. At the same time my head swelled to indescribeable proportions like a balloon and I would feel a weird but distinct vibration within that often happens before one drops off into deep sleep, this time I was fully conscious and half awake.
The energy went from the tongue to the forehead and I felt like I had been dropped into a beautiful unending sky within. It was as though I had found the center of all vibrations and thoughts. Not one thought could manifest itself at all - somehow, I recognised it as the true place that the soul resides in. I was one with it, yet I had no identity.
There also was no such thing as time or space inside the inner sky. Thoughts were like the clouds below the boundless sky - I had absolutely no desire to attach to them at all. It was inner freedom, to say in the least. It was just a state of pure nothingness, yet full of vibration and formlessness. No words can nor can ever describe such a weird and out-of-this-world conscious -nonconsciousness.
It was like as though you were a bird soaring into the infinite sky, yet there was no sky to soar into, nor no sun, cloud nor land to focus on. The sun, sky, cloud and land are all one and the same and they all come back to the source within. And you are that bird, just observing it all happen... and just being there. |
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albechan
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 21 2018 : 08:53:35 AM
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Dear All,
I would like to request your kind advice with regards to kechari mudra as I read with deep interest what you wrote.
I already wrote another similar post, but I realized it was on the wrong section.
Although I just started to practice yoga, I became strongly interested in the discipline because of my innate ability to perform kechari mudra. I am 39 and I've been playing with my toungue behind the uvula since I was a child. I can literally spend hours with my toungue resting on "the secret spot" Yogani mention at the base of the nasal sept and can reach kechari 4 with great ease thanks to the unusual anatomy of my toungue (very long, very thin when stretched and with an extremely malleable frenulum). Perhaps, I can even do kechari 5 as I can fold back my toungue enough to block any air intake through my throat. As I just discovered the importance behind this practice, I've been doing it with much more attention and interest.
I am lucky enough to have a job and a life style which allows me to spend long hours in silence (I do meditation pretty regularly as well) so that I can go on with my daily routines while keeping my toungue resting on the secret spot and focus on breathing. Still I don't really feel the ecstatic conductivity you talk about. I wanted to understand if you think it's ok to keep practicing kechari mudra for such a long time (I can last on stage 2 easily 7-8 hours per day as that position feels more comfortable to me than keeping my toungue in a “normal” resting position). On a side note, I can say that I have never experienced any strain or discomfort from this.
Thank you so much for your time.
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 22 2018 : 02:46:24 AM
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Hello albechan
Welcome to the AYP forum.
Reading your recent post, I think the question arising is this:
Do you wish to develop ecstatic conductivity?
If the answer is yes, then your best bet is spinal breathing pranayama (described in the free lessons on this website, starting at Lesson 41)
You are very advanced with the kechari technique, but practices that work on just one segment of the sushumna may not awaken ecstatic conductivity, unless a more global cleansing of the main energy channel is underway. Spinal breathing achieves that global cleansing, as it sweeps sushumna nadi from the root to the brow. So wherever the blocks are along the way, it will find them and dissolve them.
If you decide to go down this path, there is one more question you need to answer: do you combine your existing meditation practice (did you say zen?) with the energetic practices of AYP, or give AYP a go, starting with the AYP meditation technique (Lesson 13)? The bottom line is that meditation is the fundamental practice; any energy practices must build on that.
Only you can answer this question, but if you wish to discuss pros and cons, start another topic on the forum.
All the best on your path
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albechan
Italy
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Posted - May 22 2018 : 10:18:01 AM
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Originally posted by BlueRaincoat
Hello albechan
Welcome to the AYP forum.
Reading your recent post, I think the question arising is this:
Do you wish to develop ecstatic conductivity?
If the answer is yes, then your best bet is spinal breathing pranayama (described in the free lessons on this website, starting at Lesson 41)
You are very advanced with the kechari technique, but practices that work on just one segment of the sushumna may not awaken ecstatic conductivity, unless a more global cleansing of the main energy channel is underway. Spinal breathing achieves that global cleansing, as it sweeps sushumna nadi from the root to the brow. So wherever the blocks are along the way, it will find them and dissolve them.
If you decide to go down this path, there is one more question you need to answer: do you combine your existing meditation practice (did you say zen?) with the energetic practices of AYP, or give AYP a go, starting with the AYP meditation technique (Lesson 13)? The bottom line is that meditation is the fundamental practice; any energy practices must build on that.
Only you can answer this question, but if you wish to discuss pros and cons, start another topic on the forum.
All the best on your path
Hi BlueRaincoat,
Thank you so much for your reply.
To answer your questions, I'd say that what I want the most is to achieve Unity. Said that,to enjoy this wonderful ecstatic conductivity along the path is certainly a plus that I'm determined to pursue.
With regards to the other point, I have no problem at all to set zen aside for a while to give AYP a go and that's what I've actually just sarted to do, beginning from the meditation technique with the I AM mantra.
I tend to be quite disciplined with the practices in general so I'm sure that some results shouldn't take too long to manifest.
Deep gratitude for your kind suggestion. |
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1730 Posts |
Posted - May 23 2018 : 03:53:23 AM
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HI albechan
quote:
Originally posted by albechan
I'd say that what I want the most is to achieve Unity. Said that,to enjoy this wonderful ecstatic conductivity along the path is certainly a plus that I'm determined to pursue.
Ecstatic conductivity lies along the way towards unity and it is a precondition to it. Its rise is more dramatic in some people than in others (which may explain why some traditions emphasises it more than others?).
I've never practised Buddhism as such, but it seems to me that piti is ecstatic conductivity. Then there is sukha, which I guess is the equivalent of AYP's "ecstatic bliss". Different words, the same reality. 
If you get to read further through the AYP lessons, you will find some that describe the evolution towards unity: Lessons 35, 85, 274 and quite a few others.
Enjoy your I AM meditation. If you have any questions, you can always ask them in the forum.
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Shamith
India
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Posted - Oct 21 2018 : 11:11:44 PM
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Respected, can you tell me. How did you enter into kechari 4 and up. What was the angle ? I
quote:
Originally posted by albechan
Dear All,
I would like to request your kind advice with regards to kechari mudra as I read with deep interest what you wrote.
I already wrote another similar post, but I realized it was on the wrong section.
Although I just started to practice yoga, I became strongly interested in the discipline because of my innate ability to perform kechari mudra. I am 39 and I've been playing with my toungue behind the uvula since I was a child. I can literally spend hours with my toungue resting on "the secret spot" Yogani mention at the base of the nasal sept and can reach kechari 4 with great ease thanks to the unusual anatomy of my toungue (very long, very thin when stretched and with an extremely malleable frenulum). Perhaps, I can even do kechari 5 as I can fold back my toungue enough to block any air intake through my throat. As I just discovered the importance behind this practice, I've been doing it with much more attention and interest.
I am lucky enough to have a job and a life style which allows me to spend long hours in silence (I do meditation pretty regularly as well) so that I can go on with my daily routines while keeping my toungue resting on the secret spot and focus on breathing. Still I don't really feel the ecstatic conductivity you talk about. I wanted to understand if you think it's ok to keep practicing kechari mudra for such a long time (I can last on stage 2 easily 7-8 hours per day as that position feels more comfortable to me than keeping my toungue in a “normal” resting position). On a side note, I can say that I have never experienced any strain or discomfort from this.
Thank you so much for your time.
Love
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Shamith
India
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Posted - Oct 21 2018 : 11:17:48 PM
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People who have finished Kechari Stage 4. Requesting help with the request.
Which is the right angle to insert the tongue and upward ? Up beneath the secret spot. It seems the passage is closed, not upward. Thanking you. |
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Shamith
India
5 Posts |
Posted - Oct 22 2018 : 01:13:54 AM
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| Can one tell me which side is the entry level to go up. Is it the side where secret spot is or opposite side. Thanking you |
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Leonardo Neiva
Brazil
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Posted - Mar 27 2019 : 12:10:24 PM
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Thank you this post has helped me a lot to connect in essence |
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Jesus2.0
Algeria
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Posted - Aug 21 2019 : 1:09:17 PM
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Hi guys and galls.
I have read the lesson on kechari mudra and found it to be quite accurate, although I do not believe any yoga has to be difficult or complicated or that anyone should intentionally cut/snip their frenulum, this is poor advice in my humble opinion.
Any questions will be answered with love,
Namaste x
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Jesus2.0
Algeria
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Posted - Aug 21 2019 : 2:40:33 PM
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I honestly believe kechari mudra to be one of the most important “physical keys” to acension! Not to be taken lightly or entered into until you are ready to let go of everything you’ve ever known and experience reality x |
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Z1839
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - Nov 24 2019 : 12:43:12 PM
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I have two brief questions on kechari mudra.
First, I feel like i've nearly reached the nasal passage area. Do the bones/cartilage in the septum feel like they have a different texture than the soft, slimy texture of the soft palate? It feels sort of long a sponge to me.
Also, does the mouth need to be open at all? I've watched some videos on Kechari mudra and they usually have an open mouth, but I wasn't sure if they were just doing so to show the camera. |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Nov 24 2019 : 3:10:31 PM
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I can do ketchari 2, and the tip of my tongue touches the bone cartilage you see at the nasal hole on a skull. Everything below that is the slimy/soft tissue you mentioned.
If I open my mouth slightly it moves the tongue maybe a millimeter higher. I have seen those YouTube videos, and they are indeed doing it to show you. Generally the mouth remains closed. |
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Z1839
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - Nov 25 2019 : 7:02:13 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogboy
I can do ketchari 2, and the tip of my tongue touches the bone cartilage you see at the nasal hole on a skull. Everything below that is the slimy/soft tissue you mentioned.
If I open my mouth slightly it moves the tongue maybe a millimeter higher. I have seen those YouTube videos, and they are indeed doing it to show you. Generally the mouth remains closed.
Thank you! It seems like I may be close to stage 2. What happens is that I roll my tongue back until I find some pressure. After, there's a sort of popping feeling and the tip of my tongue snaps erect upward, and the pressure is released.
My tongue then starts stretching upwards, and my jaw opens very slightly. I feel my uvula sort of jump upward and touch underneath my tongue. After some maneuvering and relaxing into it, I feel this sort of harder spongy type of tissue. |
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Z1839
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - Nov 28 2019 : 7:22:30 PM
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Just another follow up,
My body seems to really want to do Udiyanna/Nauli bhanda while doing kechari. It seems like it helps relieve pressure and tension in my throat in pallet. Any input on the matter? |
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Dogboy
USA
2193 Posts |
Posted - Nov 28 2019 : 9:34:30 PM
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The soft tissue is ‘the veil’ you (eventually) bypass the enter 2, the harder tissue beyond is the roof of your nasal passage.
While I stay in ketchari while meditating, I wouldn’t do uddiyana/nauli then, but otherwise, if doing them is relieving pressure, why not? I have heard you can lessen a gag reflex by palming your thumb and squeezing it, and that may be the same action here: to find relief in a particular area, divert you attention to another area of the body. |
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Blanche
USA
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Posted - Nov 29 2019 : 10:33:21 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Z1839
Just another follow up,
My body seems to really want to do Udiyanna/Nauli bhanda while doing kechari. It seems like it helps relieve pressure and tension in my throat in pallet. Any input on the matter?
The spontaneous engagement of uddiyana/nauli during the practice of kechari mudra is a normal occurrence as the purification of the nervous system increases and the ecstatic conductivity becomes more and more active. In fact, as a result of the awakening of the ecstatic conductivity, the engagement of one mudra triggers the activation of other mudras and bandhas, in a process you are experiencing now and what Yogani calls “whole body mudra” - see lesson 212. So practice wisely and enjoy! |
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CAA
Belize
15 Posts |
Posted - Dec 05 2019 : 10:56:15 AM
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| I can use my pinky to move the tongue tip to the elastic band behind the uvula.. This band is very tight! Is this common with people who are successful with going past it? Does it need be stretched? |
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Z1839
USA
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Posted - Dec 05 2019 : 5:09:06 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Blanche
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Originally posted by Z1839
Just another follow up,
My body seems to really want to do Udiyanna/Nauli bhanda while doing kechari. It seems like it helps relieve pressure and tension in my throat in pallet. Any input on the matter?
The spontaneous engagement of uddiyana/nauli during the practice of kechari mudra is a normal occurrence as the purification of the nervous system increases and the ecstatic conductivity becomes more and more active. In fact, as a result of the awakening of the ecstatic conductivity, the engagement of one mudra triggers the activation of other mudras and bandhas, in a process you are experiencing now and what Yogani calls “whole body mudra” - see lesson 212. So practice wisely and enjoy!
Thank you! It seems as if my body is intuitively trying to equalize the pressures between my lower abdomen/diaphragm and in my head sinuses by going into uddiyana/nauli. The pressure is then trying to synchronize with the effort involved with focusing my eyes at the center between my eyebrows- gentle yet intense attention to that point.
Interestingly, in my last Kriya meditation my body wanted to do a jyoti mudra type movements to equalize the pressure in my sinuses to my uddiyana/nauli. It was just my fingers in my ears and eyelids. |
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Dogboy
USA
2193 Posts |
Posted - Dec 05 2019 : 7:35:33 PM
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quote:
I can use my pinky to move the tongue tip to the elastic band behind the uvula.. This band is very tight! Is this common with people who are successful with going past it? Does it need be stretched?
No, it will yield when you are ripe for it. Just keep playing with it as you are, and also dedicated to your meditation practice, for that prepares you also. |
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CAA
Belize
15 Posts |
Posted - Dec 05 2019 : 8:35:03 PM
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| I should have been more clear.. Didnt mean stretch with a tool per se, just with the tongue itself by repetition. I can feel it kinda wanting to give way. |
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Z1839
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2019 : 5:46:22 PM
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It seems like I’ve made some breakthroughs in Kechari. I’m not sure what specific stage I’m in, as I can’t really tell where my tongue is specifically. I’ve decided to just follow the energy. It seems like if I focus on shambhavi mudra, my tongue seems to want to just want to continue kechari.
Anyway, what happened was I felt like my tongue went back into a nice secure position, and the tip of my tongue was balancing my shambhavi mudra and breathing. I felt this sort of slow spinning wheel that was rotating to the rhythm of my breathing in the area of shambavi mudra, with the slight effort needed to keep my tongue in place. It was rotating on the tip of my tongue.
I was wondering if anyone can relate. I know people experience meditation phenomenon differently. Just curious to hear! |
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Z1839
USA
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Posted - Dec 27 2019 : 10:27:10 AM
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| I’m noticing my frenulum has some white, calcified like stuff developing on it. Is there a way to get rid of it, like scrape it off? |
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