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david_obsidian
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 Posted - Dec 28 2005 : 6:27:04 PM
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Originally posted by Frank-in-SanDiego
Hari OM
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi All:
First off, samadhi has no edges.
Folks, I believe this is so important to appreciate. I am sure all you fellow sadhu's have a handle on this, but thought it valuable bringing this up as a point of reference.
Not only are there no edges there is no "deeper samadhi". If in fact there is deeper, then there is shallower. If there is this deep-shallow, then its still on the relative field of existance - and what is being experienced is variations of silence…a wonderful, useful experience, in the progress of events, and "sensed" but it is not samadhi.
Samadhi is ubiquitous, uninterrupted pure being, pure intelligence, pure consciousness ( pls pick the description that is right for you). Like that, homogenous, and beyond the relative field, which is left behind once absorbed in this Samadhi state.
Peace and abundance in your practices,
Frank In San Diego
Hello Frank,
A point of language: there are certainly grades of Savikalpa Samadhi, though one can make a good case that there are no grades of Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
Savikalpa Samadhi has grades: though it can be said to entail the perception of what is gradeless, the quality of that perception can vary.
To make another analogy, imagine a city under a permanent layer of clouds. But then there is a break in the clouds, and the sun's Light comes directly in for the first time. That's an event --- Savikalpa Samadhi is like that --- an event in which pure consciousness pours into the mind ( the word 'pours' is only for the analogy).
But the break in the clouds can be small or large, and can let in a small amount of light or a large amount, and can last for a long time or a short amount of time. In this way, every Savikalpa Samadhi event is different, and as such it has grades.
But perhaps the Light that comes in does not have grades.
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a permanently cloudless sky. As such it is not an event (although the entering of Nirvikalpa samadhi can be described as an event, but then it would be one that can take many decades). You could say that Nirvikalpa Samadhi is gradeless since complete absence of clouds is an absolute. (Though I have questions about whether anyone reaches absolute purity.)
-D
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Frank-in-SanDiego
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Posted - Dec 28 2005 : 8:35:36 PM
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Hari OM
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Originally posted by david_obsidian
To make another analogy, imagine a city under a permanent layer of clouds. But then there is a break in the clouds, and the sun's Light comes directly in for the first time....
But the break in the clouds can be small or large, and can let in a small amount of light or a large amount, and can last for a long time or a short amount of time. In this way, every Savikalpa Samadhi event is different, and as such it has grades. Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a permanently cloudless sky.
Hello David, your example/description is very compelling... yes, I can agree on "grades"... makes perfect sense.
thx for taking the time to craft the word-visual.
Peace and abundance in your practice,
Frank In San Diego
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