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alwayson2

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Posted - Jan 15 2010 :  2:25:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
My current position is that karmamudra is nonsense.

And sex has nothing to do with kundalini.
Edited by - alwayson2 on Jan 15 2010 2:50:09 PM
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alwayson2

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Posted - Jan 18 2010 :  5:02:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Although if I wanted to prove myself wrong, what I would do is focus on my subnavel area during sustained pre-orgasmic bliss while at the same time distinguishing bliss from thoughts.

Maybe someone wants to give this a shot?
Edited by - alwayson2 on Jan 18 2010 6:42:26 PM
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adamantclearlight

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Posted - Jan 18 2010 :  8:26:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit adamantclearlight's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Everything is nonsense.

Adamant
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alwayson2

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Posted - Jan 31 2010 :  8:20:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Adamant, do you know an english translation of kagyu's texts of the six yogas of Naropa?

All the translations of the six yoga seem to based on gelug commentary on the six yogas
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adamantclearlight

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Posted - Jan 31 2010 :  8:55:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit adamantclearlight's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
There isn't one. Kagyu's are oral transmission only.

Adamant
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alwayson2

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Posted - Jan 31 2010 :  11:54:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
ok what about any other school besides gelug
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adamantclearlight

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Posted - Feb 01 2010 :  10:26:02 AM  Show Profile  Visit adamantclearlight's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
No. Not that I'm aware of.

Adamant
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alwayson2

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Posted - Feb 03 2010 :  3:11:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
What is the difference between the father tantras and the six yogas of naropa?

They cover the same material....

I have that big academic book:

Aryadeva's Lamp that Integrates the Practices (Caryamelapakapradipa): The Gradual Path of Vajrayana Buddhism according to the Esoteric Community Noble Tradition
Translated and edited by Christian K. Wedemeyer
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adamantclearlight

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Posted - Feb 03 2010 :  3:50:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit adamantclearlight's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Alwayson, The tantras are basically about mantra in the form of deity yoga. The Six Yogas like post-completion stage and are independent of the tantras. They were independently accumulated by Tilopa.

Adamant
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alwayson2

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Posted - Feb 03 2010 :  4:05:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
because in chapter 7 of Aryadeva's lamp, the crux of the whole procedure has to do with a visualization procedure and not sex. The sex stuff is something else.
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adamantclearlight

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Posted - Feb 03 2010 :  7:10:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit adamantclearlight's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by alwayson2

because in chapter 7 of Aryadeva's lamp, the crux of the whole procedure has to do with a visualization procedure and not sex. The sex stuff is something else.


I know. That's what I'm talking about.

Adamant
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alwayson2

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Posted - Feb 04 2010 :  11:23:20 AM  Show Profile  Visit alwayson2's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
So does Tilopa say you do need a karmamudra?
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