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joseph
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 Posted - Dec 08 2014 : 07:36:18 AM
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Do experienced yogi's stop practicing meditation and spinal breathing, etc once they have transcended identification with the body, or do they continue the practices (asanas, SBP, DM, etc)?
I imagine it might be difficult to continue body based practices if one sees that the body is impermanent, and the "I" is apart from the body? But then again they might enjoy the lightness and bliss that the practices bring, so may continue with it. Maybe each yogi is different...........
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bewell
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Posted - Dec 08 2014 : 08:55:40 AM
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After "the end of suffering", until bodily death, such practices continue for the benefit of humanity -- outpouring of divine love.
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Anima
484 Posts |
Posted - Dec 08 2014 : 10:20:27 AM
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| There are no realized yogis. They are a myth constructed around the lives of intelligent and uncompromising men. No need to compare ourselves to fictions. |
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bewell
1275 Posts |
Posted - Dec 08 2014 : 10:49:40 AM
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... as for me, I still suffer.
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Dogboy
USA
2207 Posts |
Posted - Dec 08 2014 : 12:25:41 PM
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| I enjoy dropping into silence. Can't imagine anything interrupting that! |
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
1537 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 12:13:33 AM
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Yogani recommends never to stop practicing especially after you think you have "made it"; you are there.
What I can say from a brief period of experience - you move from practicing with your physical body to practicing with your subtle body, so I am assuming you move up to practicing with your other bodies as you grow in frequency. I'm just speculating here.
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Bodhi Tree
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Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 02:17:58 AM
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I think that's a great question, and one of the best metaphors that has helped me understand the function of practices is that of a light bulb that shines at varying degrees of wattage. Meditation and samyama can allow me to go from 50 to 75 watts, and I think the only ceiling in terms of maximum capacity would be based on personal comfort and preference.
So I suppose the question is: how brightly do you want to shine?  |
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joseph
117 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 08:07:46 AM
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Really helpful replies - thank you all.
Regarding the light bulb metaphor, I think the reason I had the Q is because, as our practice progresses over time, we become efficient at increasing that wattage, so that we're now able to increase from 50 to 75 with three conscious breaths, perhaps in a busy environment, whereas compared to a few years back, the same increase would have been possible only after a long, focused practice in a calm environment.
So now we can shine brightly after a little practice. For shining brightly though we have to rearrange our lives and our psyche, thoughts, intentions, etc. So this is where self pacing comes in, so we don't.... burn up from going too fast. I got it, at last 
(reflecting, that's been my problem, that I've increased the wattage without being suitable for the new energy, because I couldn't forgive. Hopefully that's changed now, but I don't know..) |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 08:32:05 AM
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Exactly! Self-pacing = less friction. Better to dissolve obstructions gradually than to abrasively rip them out. A matter of finesse. Thank you.  |
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lalow33
USA
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Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 09:30:44 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by joseph
Really helpful replies - thank you all.
Regarding the light bulb metaphor, I think the reason I had the Q is because, as our practice progresses over time, we become efficient at increasing that wattage, so that we're now able to increase from 50 to 75 with three conscious breaths, perhaps in a busy environment, whereas compared to a few years back, the same increase would have been possible only after a long, focused practice in a calm environment.
So now we can shine brightly after a little practice. For shining brightly though we have to rearrange our lives and our psyche, thoughts, intentions, etc. So this is where self pacing comes in, so we don't.... burn up from going too fast. I got it, at last
(reflecting, that's been my problem, that I've increased the wattage without being suitable for the new energy, because I couldn't forgive. Hopefully that's changed now, but I don't know..)
Hi Joseph,
I agree with most of your post except the part about shinging brightly involving rearranging our lives, psyche, thoughts, intentions, etc.
Can you explain? I may be misinterpretating your post. |
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NoDogma
USA
123 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 2:06:27 PM
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Bodhi Tree and Joseph,
is the light bulb for you to improve clarity (and see more clearly) or for others to see your light ? |
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joseph
117 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 2:10:36 PM
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Hey lalow, yes, I was thinking that there needs to be the absence of everything that's incompatible with the new energy (resentment, pride, etc), otherwise we're constantly fighting ourselves and it becomes exhausting, like running in one direction and at the same time being pulled in another.
or to carry on the light bulb analogy; what's the point in increasing the power of the light if the bulb is coated in black paint. Best to scrape the paint away first.
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joseph
117 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 2:17:58 PM
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quote:
What I can say from a brief period of experience - you move from practicing with your physical body to practicing with your subtle body, so I am assuming you move up to practicing with your other bodies as you grow in frequency. I'm just speculating here.
This is really interesting - we can carry on the practice but it becomes increasingly more about the subtle body. Like the sound of that |
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jusmail
India
491 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 4:27:34 PM
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| Great yogis of the himalyas required less and less sleep as their nervous system had become purified. Many of them have transitioned into the next world sitting in their yoga pose. No telling what the case will be with AYP, though! |
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kumar ul islam
United Kingdom
791 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2014 : 4:28:38 PM
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we have many rebirths to practice and many universes to practice in . |
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krcqimpro1
India
329 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2014 : 07:11:59 AM
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Hi All,
After reading Dr. Michael Newton's Journey of Souls, I have come to the conclusion that Self-Realization or Liberation, etc., which essentially to me means, no need to re-incarnate,does not happen until we become perfect human beings, and this happens either after leading countless "normal" lives, or (hopefully) excelling in "Yoga", that includes Karma Yoga, Gnyana Yoga, Bhakthi Yoga and Raja Yoga). Very few humans in the last thousands of years have achieved this through Yoga.
So, even though I have a very aggressive and robust AYP twice a day (for years now), I am not fooling myself into thinking dramatic real progress is going to happen in any life soon.
I would urge every AYPer to read this book. You will not regret it.Yogani also believes it is "ground breaking" !
Krish |
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adishivayogi
USA
197 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2014 : 09:45:36 AM
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Originally posted by krcqimpro1
...So, even though I have a very aggressive and robust AYP twice a day (for years now), I am not fooling myself into thinking dramatic real progress is going to happen in any life soon..
faith itself is quite a powerful thing. theres no reason why it cant be accomplished in this life. i'm sure there are people here who can drop their bodies whenever theyre willing. |
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joseph
117 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2014 : 10:20:27 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation, krc. Just added that to my list of books to read.
There is however about 15 on it already 
NoDogma, I don't know which but I'd say both, though the latter is maybe more important(?) |
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2014 : 8:28:43 PM
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Originally posted by NoDogma
Bodhi Tree and Joseph,
is the light bulb for you to improve clarity (and see more clearly) or for others to see your light ?
Without a doubt, both. Thank you for clarifying my clarity.  |
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End of practices?
