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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Aug 25 2011 :  12:48:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message
Consciousness and wealth- spiritual & material are not just related but rather interwoven as one flowing energy field. When there is peace and harmony, abundance of all good things flow naturally- not just for individuals but also for whole nations.

There has been so much global dynamics springing from the colossal debts USA has and the global politics of economics that shape this. The debt is $14.6 trillion and climbing. That is roughly $47000 debt for every US citizen.

Is there a need to be worried? What will happen next to the nation, the global economics and our own individual reality? What will happen if a rogue nation like China armed with economic strength gains the upper hand to threaten our individual freedom?
These questions and thoughts can be brought to the right perspective if we can understand consciousness as being the wealth that will always gain precedence over any temporary upheavals.

If we can gain insights into the history of consciousness, we know we will not fail. We are consciousness that is victorious. Always!


India had been an economic super power for over 2000 years prior to being colonized by the British Empire. This 'super-power' status was conferred based on the size of the entire global economy being less than 50% of that of India- the global economy of that period of course included a relatively developed China. Compare this to the 50 year maximum time of 'super-power' status of the USA that in its heyday constituted only 15% of the global economy.

This enormous wealth of India was driven by a foundation of harmony from within for centuries. Economic strength grew due to the inner harmony, the result of the absence of wars, especially in South India. Isolated from invasions for thousands of years thanks to the three oceans of the south and the Himalayas of the north, the Indian subcontinent sustained a society where spirituality was a foundation on which enterprise prospered along with science. The Indian subcontinent provided and still provides the sustaining and nurturing environment to not just a few spiritual seekers, but to over 3 million "saddhus", the spiritual recluses.

Consider these facts of an inherent consciousness-

- During its years as a 'super-power', India did not invade/plunder or evangelize another of its neighboring countries. All its neighbors were trading partners and culture & philosophy flowed naturally.

- Wars were civilized. Wars were fought within the Indian subcontinent with an attitude of being civilized, i.e, no civilian casualties, no killing prisoners of war, hostilities ceased every evening to tend to the wounded etc. Sadly, this code changed with the advent of the Muslim invaders from 1200 AD onwards who came to plunder India and forcefully enforce Islam on the conquered people while committing atrocities that violated the ethics of war. With the advent of British imperialism, all ethics of war were done with.

- Throughout the years of India's history, anyone and everyone stepping on the shores of India were treated as welcomed guests of honor. India is the only country that not only welcomed the Jews but also ensured that they were protected and thier trade was encouraged. This is exactly the policy that East India Company took advantage off to later colonize India (see the video below).

- With Islamic invasion & European colonization, the original language, religion and culture of entire nations were obliterated completely and replaced by that of the conquerors. India was the only exception. Even after being ravaged by over 800 years of Islamic rule and then the British/ Portuguese/ Dutch colonization, nearly all its native languages, indigenous cultures and its religion are quite intact (as in comparison to Latin America/Africa/Middle East etc).

- When Mahatma Gandhi started his freedom struggle in India, the British felt threatened almost immediately as the vast majority of the Indian population were agreeable to the concept of ahimsa- non hurting, non-harming, non-killing as a non-violent path to attaining freedom. Ahimsa as a concept was untried as yet in human history. The Indian freedom struggle through violence was well in place before Gandhi’s presence. What baffled the British and the press was how, without modes of modern communication, huge crowds would form and wait for hours before Gandhi arrived at any destination. The freedom movement had the whole of India responding to Gandhi’s call to be the “Soul-force” from the beginning - that eventually led to Britain’s decision to leave India as a friend.

Consciousness still won over steel, guile and greed.

The material wealth extent of ancient India: When the British got their first administrative hold in the Indian subcontinent starting with what is today Tamilnadu, the British knew that they would conquer the rest of India with the financial 'profits' they made. They realized that they had the revenue of the world's richest region of those times. See an interesting video- http://youtu.be/48FP9Pd9aWE

In 1803, the East India Trading Company (later taken over by the British government) made 13 million pounds as its profit (approx $5 billion in today's value) from a territory that later expanded over nearly 25 times in size. This 'profit' grew compounded each year by a minimum 100% and sometimes 1000% each year - over each year at the minimum, year after year as newer territories were 'annexed' until the entire Indian subcontinent was under the empire. Newer methods of appropriating money from India were devised- until India gained Independence in 1947.
In between, India footed the entire bill of the UK's First and Second World Wars cost apart from the costs of all the other wars fought by the British. If we sum up the amount of wealth taken out of India directly and indirectly from 1800 to 1947, by comparison, the current US debt of $15 trillion is minuscule.

Consciousness however moves in cycles and it is not the monopoly of any one culture or country. The ancient consciousness of the Indian subcontinent is embedded in the science of yoga, meditation and the essence of realizing oneness- Ahimsa. This cycle of goodness for consciousness is now beginning again. The enormous wealth that was with India in the form of stored consciousness through being a super-power for over 2000 years was not depleted as wealth, spiritual and material is created through consciousness.

When we meditate, do yoga or do any practice that calms the mind to harmony, we experience peace. Thoughts from a mind of harmony are always innovative, abundant, nurturing and inspiring.

As thoughts of the Sages from the East, we wish all to know that even a $100 trillion is still minuscule compared to collective consciousness that can be transformed to abundant material realities in a moment. The immenseness of spiritual abundance is a power that has come of time and no one person, no nation and no ignorance can stop its manifestation to be the radiance of material abundance.
May we all evolve in our awakening to the harmony of Oneness behind each thought.

May we all unfold abundant realities in our lives that fulfill, inspire and bless us with wellbeing, contentment and enterprise that enables the goodness of abundance.

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philji

United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 :  05:45:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Wealth is relative. What one considers wealth another considers worthless. The west has always favoured material goods over spiritual, well at least over the past couple of hundred years or so whereas the east favours and values inner growth more. Much of what the west now holds valuable has its origin in the east...
India has a valuable jewel which it must preserve or it is in danger of losing it also and then it will have just the same worthless trinkets that the west holds dear.
I find that modern india likes to imitate the west but is not very good at it and ends up producing second rate goods. If it focussed on what it is good at i.e. developing spiritual strength and sharing that it will indeed become a superpower again. But one so powerful that it can lead the world.
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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 :  11:04:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum

divine philji,
yes,your insight is profound. gratitude, brother!

mother india will ride on the 2000 years cycles of time now restarting again as it is a set momentum from the depth within that is the foundation of the meditative fires.

the gift of good times ahead is the awakening consciousness of each of ours that enables us to be abundant in spiritual and material wealth. when thought is rested on the bed of a harmonious mind, abundance flows naturally. abundance of any form of goodness causes more dharma. higher consciousness then is humanity's ascending grace beyond borders of countries as peace, sharing and love.

we are ancient oneness now in different bodies, different races and different minds now awakening humanity to its oneness that as freedom is in abundant being.

aum

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Chiron

New Zealand
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Posted - Aug 31 2011 :  06:51:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Chiron's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
The US debt is only a threat to world stability if the US dollar stops being the dominant means of exchange in the world markets ie. the oil market. The Euro is not a competitor either, since the same trans-atlantic banking elite controls the flow of both currencies. The current system actually thrives on crisis and change, and perhaps even partially generates some of it to sustain the momentum. Our core values as far as our main goals and purpose on earth have to change, only then will the economic system re-adjust to reflect the values of the collective consciousness.

China has an ancient culture rooted in wisdom, which can play an important and positive role in the world. i think that as with all nations, we shouldn't judge the whole people on the actions of a few dominant individuals.

India has suffered alot of pain and domination from other nations. But i feel that this suffering had a purpose and has opened up many doors and opportunities for growth and prosperity in all dimensions.

Like you, i dream of an earth without national boundaries or cultural restrictions, where the same truth dwells in each heart, albeit perhaps uniquely expressed. Where material wealth is used to create spiritual wealth and vice versa, for the equal benefit and development of all souls.

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philji

United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 31 2011 :  11:26:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Our current age seems to be one where everything we once held valuable such as respect for elders, respect for religion, state, politics, etc is being stripped away. There are scandals everyday involving religious leaders, politicians, bankers, royal family, which burst the bubble. We have stripped away everything we once held dear.All role models have been demasked... this is a scary time but also one which is exciting.Where now to put our faith, where to direct our devotion.
society as we knew it is crumbling..what will be built in its place is unknown...
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nandhi

USA
361 Posts

Posted - Aug 31 2011 :  3:41:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum


divine chiron,
your insight into us debts in relationship to the global currencies and oil and the manipulations behind it does imply a major impending change. what you say makes a lot of sense.
with regards to china, its wonderful to hear dalai lama consistent in upholding optimism with china with hope that communist china may listen to their inner voice through persuasion and our inherent goodness. the inner voice is that of the ancient culture and the people. sadly, the dictatorship of communism stifles individual freedom with ruthlessness and is not willing to give any leeway. see this article as solution to deal with tamas- http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011...aadi-nandhi/
we can pray that our collective consciousness will help people all over the globe to break free to be the inspired angelic realities each innately desires. it is joyful to share the breath of oneness with you, divine chiron, as each breath is that of expanding consciousness as in love that is light. aum


divine philji,
these forgotten values of humanity born out of lack of consciousness will awaken again as we see reflect such principles of consciousness within our own lives irrespective of the society or the world. consciousness is like a huge big idea that contains within it all the age-old seeking of humanity and like a drop of honey leading each to the honey pot, we are all set into the beautiful momentum. change to goodness is inevitable especially where each of us are are as we expand in the vibrations of simply being. gratitude for your thoughts. aum

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philji

United Kingdom
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Posted - Sep 02 2011 :  1:27:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
DEar Nandhi ji i have recently bought the BBC documentary DVD The story of India with Michael Wood, historian. He is somebody i have seen before and he seems to have deep respect for India and its culture. It was his clip that you have referred to elsewhere on this forum. However he like many other historians refer to the Aryan invasion of India. There are some like Dr. David Frawley who dispute this invasion and claim that the ancient culture and civilization of India grew from within India itself and was not influenced by outside forces. Do you have an opinion on this?
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nandhi

USA
361 Posts

Posted - Sep 02 2011 :  5:28:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum

divine philji,

so wish to get michael woods dvd. did see clips of story of india- very indepth, well researched and interesting!

what you mention is a very interesting topic. nandhi's perception is that there was a pre-vedic wisdom in existence with the dravidians before the aryans invaded and settled down in india. this is based on important historic evidences.

when we talk of yoga, tantra or the mystical end of hinduism, it begins with advaita- the worship of lord siva. tamil and sanskrit have near similar words for most spiritual terms. the way tamil expresses each spiritual word is much like a yogi who conserves breath- for instance, instead of 'shiva', 'siva' or instead 'shakti', 'sakti'. the lord siva temples of south india enshrine the ancient bed rocks of india's spiritual past.

the epic ramayana is noted by the historians to be older than mahabharath (where the bhagavat gita was imparted). in the ramayana, it states that dravidians of south india were saivites- worshipers of lord siva- the roots of tantra, yantra and yoga. the vedas do not mention of lord siva other than as 'rudra', a reference to a god who was not as revered as the rest. with the advent of aryans merging with the dravidians, lord siva rose up in ranks. even today, the percentage of worshipers of lord siva is much higher in the south and worshipers of lord vishnu is higher in the north. another interesting thing to note is- tamil is older, if not, older than sanskrit. it means, the tamil aum symbol is the original aum. http://bit.ly/pkYRfV


those who study vedas due to its importance to become 'brahmin' ofcourse would not like to cede the title for all good reasons!:)

aum




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philji

United Kingdom
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Posted - Sep 03 2011 :  12:03:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
DEar Nandhi
Thanks for the Tamil Aum i have been looking for one like this.
Thanks for your views on Tamil culture being predominantly Siva based whereas North is more Visnu based. I have noticed this myself. I would like to delve into this subject more.
I have seen a map depicting India being connected to Lanka and also
said to have been connected to Australia also. Maybe the aboriginals of Australia have a link to Dravidian culture of south india?
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maheswari

Lebanon
2186 Posts

Posted - Sep 03 2011 :  12:39:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
the epic ramayana is noted by the historians to be older than mahabharath (where the bhagavat gita was imparted). in the ramayana, it states that dravidians of south india were saivites- worshipers of lord siva- the roots of tantra, yantra and yoga. the vedas do not mention of lord siva other than as 'rudra', a reference to a god who was not as revered as the rest. with the advent of aryans merging with the dravidians, lord siva rose up in ranks. even today, the percentage of worshipers of lord siva is much higher in the south and worshipers of lord vishnu is higher in the north. another interesting thing to note is- tamil is older, if not, older than sanskrit. it means, the tamil aum symbol is the original aum. http://bit.ly/pkYRfV

very intresting...Arunachala is in the South...Ramana went to settle there.....and He used Tamil ..i love Shiva
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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Sep 03 2011 :  5:43:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by philji


I have seen a map depicting India being connected to Lanka and also
said to have been connected to Australia also. Maybe the aboriginals of Australia have a link to Dravidian culture of south india?



divine philji, there are many theories and the one most intriguing is of the time when most of land mass was one. look at this dimension- most animals in the indian sub-continent and the african continent are similar. migration can be ruled out as these are animals (far too many species) as compared to human's ability to migrate. so this fact takes us not to tens of thousands of years but rather hundreds of thousands of years if not millions. so how much did all the species evolve in this stipulated time in the different continents?
this brings us to the controversial analysis of nassim haramein (youtube him). some sort of synthesis could have happened to have taken humanity to the next level in the distant past. this induction of higher intelligence we worship as the deity of the six pointed star, lord muruga as in the yogic traditions.

yet, its good to climb above any beliefs as it could bog down our own expansive consciousness. instead, its our delightful experience to observe ourselves as millions of years old residing in the human body in a flash of a life time needing to be the magic of now.

aum

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nandhi

USA
361 Posts

Posted - Sep 03 2011 :  5:50:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
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very intresting...Arunachala is in the South...Ramana went to settle there.....and He used Tamil ..i love Shiva




divine maheswari, always joyous to meet another on this mystical path of light.
what is heart touching is that you connected with laxmana swamiji, perhaps the oldest living disciple of our paramguru ramana maharishi.
we are one from the past with sri ramana.

about 23 years ago, nandhi had a choice of laxmana swamiji or ayya (up the mountain) while sleeping in our sri ramana's samadhi. had sri ramana guide through a dream to direct nandhi up the mountain to be with ayya instead. that got nandhi on the journey with the siddhars.

aum


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maheswari

Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 04 2011 :  03:01:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
dear Nandhi
i can really feel Divine Love and Stillness pouring from yours post

i did not understand fully the following
quote:
what is heart touching is that you connected with laxmana swamiji, perhaps the oldest living disciple of our paramguru ramana maharishi.we are one from the past with sri ramana



Edited by - maheswari on Sep 05 2011 4:24:40 PM
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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Sep 05 2011 :  4:41:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
divine maheswari, saw in one of your older post of you mention of laxmana swamiji and his disciple sri saradama and assumed that you had connected to them. did you meet laxmana swamiji at thiruvannamalai?

likewise, it is pure happiness to relate to your your radiance of light. thank you!

aum

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maheswari

Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 06 2011 :  02:06:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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divine maheswari, saw in one of your older post of you mention of laxmana swamiji and his disciple sri saradama and assumed that you had connected to them. did you meet laxmana swamiji at thiruvannamalai?


i read David Godman 's book No mind i am the Self about Laxmana Swamiji and the life of Sarada....but never met him...

the 2 Gurus that influence me appeared in my life according to what i needed at that time

intially .....i went twice to Vishnudevandna ashram (disciple of Swami Sivananda) in Canada and at that stage i did not feel any connection with Swami Vishnudevananda nor with Swami Sivananda...in Canada ashram i was initiated,given a spiritual name and an Ishta mantra....it was given according to my obvious inclination ie to Siva ...

then i discovered Swami Chidananda (also disciple of Swami Sivananda) and BLAM is was an intense connection.. ..he has strong magnetism ...he is a wise saint..so i went twice to Sivananda ashram in Rishikesh ...but also did not meet Swami Chidananda in person...but the connection still is very strong...

during my second trip to Rishikesh...i was intuitively drawn to books about Ramana Maharshi .......his picture on the books cover was very appealing...he is the second guru to which i feel strong connection ...Ramana was a major turning point to me..and what a coincidence he likes Arunachala Siva

it is an amazing journey...one thinks at first that the Self is outside then you know that the Self is already here and now inside....
dear Nandhi did you notice the eyes of Muruganar and of Laxmana? so much strenght comes from them.....same for Ramana eyes,i feel he has additional compassion and stillness

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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Sep 06 2011 :  4:47:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
gratitude for sharing this journey, divine maheswari!

isnt it beautiful when our insides feel an ancient connect to the next level of consciousness, i.e, the gurus and then we are awakened to the guru within to nurture, sustain and grow even as we realize that we have been picked up from a lake and out into a river and finally we become the ocean!?

had a mystical experience with ramana. far too many words too put down here on this forum. ramana guided three of us to his cave (seldom known outside) the mango tree cave in thiruvannamalai. it was so much like a past birth journey awakened. many years after journeys as a saddhu, it was in this cave that nandhi received his awakening to his highest purpose.

it does not surprise anymore when most of the people nandhi connects with on a deep level have an affinity and connect with ramana.

yes, the beautiful eyes we could dissolve into! its the inward eye that reflecting the infinite. it is said that far too many, including somerset maughm were blown into awakening with those eyes- the eyes of ramana.
its stunning to see how the makers of the movie- brother sun sister moon created those eyes for st francis of assisi too.

from the vibrant stillness is the ancient being of whom we are as the stillness vibrating and unfolding each reality. so blessed to be sharing breath with you and all here on this ayp forum!

aum namah sivaya
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maheswari

Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 07 2011 :  01:35:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
movie- brother sun sister moon created those eyes for st francis of assisi too.

great movie indeed
quote:
the beautiful eyes we could dissolve into! its the inward eye that reflecting the infinite

now i understand
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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Sep 15 2011 :  12:50:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum

its a very interesting subject. have noticed that after long meditations that the eyes represent the vastness of emptiness, that overflows as harmony in stillness. most sages nandhi has met have the eyes we could melt into as love and the joys of light.


gratitude divine maheswari. just back from bhaktifest, joshua tree. it was beyond words. where bhakti is, wisdom is. we did the closing fire puja/yagna. it feels so joyful to still feel the resonance as heart's fires.

may consciousness triumph!

aum

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maheswari

Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 15 2011 :  04:01:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply

bhakti
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nandhi

USA
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Posted - Sep 16 2011 :  12:50:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum


profound maheswari. a quote nandhi wrote while at bhaktifest-

our greatness of being is the vastness of consciousness dancing.
dancing as the primal nada.
dancing as goddess reality mother alight as our bhakti.
divine love is first treasure of human life. the second is grace of guru.
the third completing the sacred trinity is our infinite dance in the now as vastness in dharma.
awakening as grace of bhakti siva be.
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maheswari

Lebanon
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Posted - Sep 16 2011 :  03:14:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply

bhakti leads to seeking....lots of seeking and longing...then the external gurus appear...then the internal guru is unveiled

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nandhi

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Posted - Sep 16 2011 :  3:43:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit nandhi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
aum


profound!:)

aum
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