en-us Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:25:36 +0200 aypforum99@aypsite.org 60 AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ http://www.aypsite.org/forum/aum2asmall.jpg AYP Support Forums RSS Feed 71 43 Gurunath - an experience report from 2013 Vimala@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13039&REPLY_ID=111583 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:39:53 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13039 Quote:
Please spend some minutes on yotube here

http://youtu.be/ETFJtQvD4l0

http://youtu.be/MOhR6FjpNRM]]> Moving With One's Intent: Ajna-Sahasrara-Brahman Govinda@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13057&REPLY_ID=111582 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:38:41 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13057 Quote:
Namaste dear kriyawit,

Wow, I must say that you are quite an intense individual! Cool, I really do like that. I honor and respect your presence, words and the intricacy of your ideas. So, I guess I will answer a few of your queries to get the proverbial ball rolling. If I am anything, I am an unabashedly honest person. Often my frankness upsets and offends other folks but that's just my natural disposition. And while I feel that much of my life is an utter mirage and a complete illusion, there are a few biographical admissions I must now clearly state. It won't take long, as I am a relatively simple soul.

I was raised a Christian Scientist, so metaphysics was no stranger to my youthful mind. I drowned in our swimming pool when I was about 10 years old. I left my body and experienced myself floating above my prone and seemingly lifeless material form. I was in the astral plane and didn't even know what an astral plane was! This was the very moment that I knew for a certainty that I was more that a physical organism, I was multidimensional consciousness, I was a soul with a definite connection to my Creator. I discovered the Light and felt the living presence of God all around me. I could see that above myself was a limitless realm of effulgence and limitless love. I wanted to merge but knew I still had work to do and things to learn form the sequential existence of a mortal being. I eventually returned to my mortal shell but I was forevermore changed from the startling experience.

Year later I began to study Eastern martial arts like Judo and Tae Kwon Do. I also learned to practice Hatha Yoga. I was taught to sit in Seon meditation by my Korean Tae Kwon Do teacher, Master Kim. This is the Korean version of Chinese Chan Buddhism and Japanese Zen Buddhism. I was a veracious reader, earnest in my heart's deepest quest and threw myself into a fervent study of the Eastern religions, without ever looking back. Such a joy to discover, at last a way to center my mind and still my restless thoughts.

And then I found Autobiography Of A Yogi and so, my whole world changed drastically overnight!!! I was imitated into the Self Realization Fellowship, back in 1979. I followed the techniques and methods they advocated and honestly, I never sought other branches of this art and science. Frankly, in those days, none of us in the Western world even knew there were alternate takes on Kriya Yoga. I was a young man fresh out of art school and felt a deep affinity with Sri Swami Paramahansa Yogananda. I always will.

I faithfully practiced the teachings of SRF for several years and found that some aspects of the Kriya path appealed to me more than others did. I really disliked the organizational fervor. And Sri Yoganandaji's decision to appoint his organization and legacy as Sat Guru... is not, IMHO, a wise choice to make... but he must have had his reasons. No offense to any of his faithful devotees, but I've never found what I was seeking in religious groups, cults or theological constructs.

My God is wholly cosmic, limitlessly universal and without any definitive form. So, I found myself spontaneously tuning into the inner light and inner sounds. They so profoundly brought me closer to the energy I had sought somewhere deep inside of my heart of hearts. This was the gravy my hungry soul had so longed for!

I have studied with several Masters, mostly in the early 1980s. Santji Keshavadas gifted me with my first taste of Amitra and the electrifying jolt of Shaktipad. I spent some time with Sri Swami Amar Jyoti and with Sri Swami Satchidananda. I admired the teaching of Sant Kirpal Singh, so I was initiated into Sant Mat back in 1983. Mostly I suppose, because of the emphasis on the Ajna and the Light and Sound Current? I worship the essence of Divine Light and the oscillating vibration of the Sacred Word, more than any other conceivable aspects of God.

And while I found symmetries in the Radhasoami Faith with the Kriya Yoga, that I had been taught (minus the pranayama), I was shocked and wholly disappointed by the slanderous disdain that these Sikhs regarded Hindu Yogis with. They categorically place advanced beings like Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Aurobindo, Sri Anandamayi Ma and many other saints, as "only rising to the level of the lower astral planes". The lower astral planes? Spiritual politics are one of the most disturbing mind-traps for the seeker. Groan... obviously their elitist doctrine of personality worship is a total blinder for the vast majority of their naive followers, who accept such distorted lies for actual truth. Sigh, pride falleth before the man!

I had studied Sufism for a couple years with the late Pir Vilayat Khan, back in the 1980s and found that there are many mystical Sufi methods, essentially equivalents to Kriya Yoga and Surat Shabd Yoga techniques. No small wonder that human mind has found the same truths and symbiotic degrees of symmetry, eh? There is but One God and One reality behind all appearances. Err... I digress? You betcha.

No, I cannot perform the Kechari Mudra. Not with my physical tongue. I gave up decades ago because I found that with my mind's innate energy, my internal focus and through direct intent, I was able to activate the Ajna and merge within it's blinding effulgence. the Ajna is both a psychic center and correlates to the material pineal gland. Likewise, I believe that we can stimulate it's awakening through various immaterial means. And despite having a normal, restricted frenulum... with focused intention alone, I can direct psychic acupressure upon this point and stimulate it's activation. I am able to effectively trigger it's cosmic buzzing oscillation and facilitate it's full activation. Then,I pas through it's vortex and merge within the unbound parameters of the field of the Sahasrara.

This exponentially amps the energy to lift the veil of mortal darkeners and so too, perceive of the blindingly bright portal to the higher spiritual realms. Manually performing Kechari would be no different and no more effective than the immediacy of bringing the mind to one unwavering point in focus and penetrating the fulcrum of the Godhead by intent alone. But that being said, both ways are able to do the same magical shift in our awareness and essentially explode or awareness into heretofore unrealized realms of being.

I this light, I have discovered that entering the breathless state is equally an act of concentration and the integration of principles that preclude the material husk's Yogic activities. When we attune to the frequencies of the supreme Truth, we automatically are drawn into the fulcrum of unbound Spirit. It doesn't necessarily require the physical shell's assistance to accomplish this shift, it also requires that we harness the limitless force of our energy to a still, immovable degree of clarity.

And thus, when we find the Sacred Gateway, the fully illumined Ajna, we are called by God to pass through the portal and freely access the next level, the expansive field of the Sahasrara. We are then wholly enveloped in the full bloom of the Thousand Petaled Lotus. We touch all that exists and more so, we willfully and immediately interlink within the fulcrum of the Divine Being.

I am just an ordinary person. Sure, I have my samskaras and transient illusions. Who doesn't? As you suggest, the mortal body is indeed a "meat suit". The human vessel is a brief dance in the eye of Eternity. Only the indwelling Paramatma survives the destruction of the Jivatma's journey through the sea of sentient existence (only God as a silent witness to the the fleeting mirage of the ego-self). The Unified Field of Being abides eternally, always had, right beyond the frail membranes of this material paradigm.

The radiance of the Divine is everywhere, always available for our total immersion. This perfection is the very quintessence of all that has come into being, whose expressions seek to wholly unite consciously within. And so, we instinctively desire to taste the flood of sweet bliss which remembrance gifts and blesses us with... as it's own joyous reward.

OM Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya



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]]> Improving the quality of your sleep with inversion Arman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13060 Asanas - Postures and Physical Culture Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:18:03 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13060
Anyway although I haven't experimented enough to say whether or not my sleep has changed, I can say from the few times I've tried it - once I hop into bed I feel the most fantastic ease and warmth! I've discovered I love inversions.

Anyway I hope some find this interesting or helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc5-ujcPi1c]]> Jiri Vacek (Self-Realized Satguru) Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13028&REPLY_ID=111581 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:05:40 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13028 Quote:
Jesus, AumNaturel! You are quite the scholar! Bravo, man, bravo. Thank you for connecting these different teachings and illuminating the seeming disparities.

After reading your post, I placed some soft focus in the heart, and I heard the sound of trumpets, then I saw an image of horses galloping, then my body got catapulted into the sand--head-first, and then my body became a flagpole planted in the beach, which Sean Connery proceeded to pick up and hurl at a red dragon, and then I realized I was Sean Connery, the red dragon, the flagpole, and everything else, so I bailed out of the vision. And I share this...because...perhaps you will find some amusement in my lunacy.

Unity! Strength! Wisdom! ]]> Little Krishna kami@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13059 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:57:38 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13059
Here is one episode, one of my favorite stories from the Bhagavatam, when Brahma hides away Krishna's friends for a whole year (not knowing his true identity, and forgetting that it was at his request that Krishna took the avatar):
http://youtu.be/PoK6ryp82h4

"I cannot be understood by Vedic knowledge or Yogic meditation, Brahma. I can be understood only through love and devotion." ]]> Kriya the misunderstood Yoga Holy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12849&REPLY_ID=111576 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:57:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12849 Quote:
Hi kriyawit,

first thanks for this thread and your posts. Second you don't have to take it so serious aswell :)

To all,

Prajnanananda as I can perceive him is a true master. There is no need to believe anything, just practice more, refine perceptions and find out what is true your own. This is what AYP is for aswell. Find out yourself, here are the tools to assist you.

Coming back to organizations. Yukteswar wanted Yogananda to create that organization. Lahiri was against organizations. God always loves both and does both. This was always the case. Through one master he will say so, through the other he will say the exact opposite. Were Lahiri and Yukteswar true masters, one with eternal presence? Again, I welcome you to find it out right now. Here it is all clear.

I have visited people who like to be more personal, more natural and believe that no master can be the head of a organization. Again what is the truth? Everyone has to find out. I have visited many and I have seen masters on worldly positions you'd say, woot? Also natural usual people with no apparent visible activity appeared and effected masterlike. And with both examples, I have met many who appear and do like a master, are also very well known in the world, but were heightened by the joy here. In other words, they could give nothing (if they had any) of their eternal wealth. The same was observed with those who did not speak well of some, but could not give themselves any good either.

For me e.g. KYI is not to be seen by its members but by Prajnananda and his practice kit which is under his supervision (backuped by his master). Learning a spiritual technique and getting boosts from time to time is nice, why not? :)

The same applies for any other master/organization. If the man standing behing is real, then you are going to that man anyway, not to the organization. If the man behing is not real, in other words he does not add to your own spiritual practice in a way, that it gets easier for you, will you then stay? If you want the real thing, you will not =P

To conclude that only the one way is the correct way or the other is again God's style, he likes to state all and he likes to do it all, in all ways :) The whole thign is very personal, it is up to you. What works best for you. If practicing alone works best, then you will do like that. If going to those who have practiced some decades and help you along from time to time works as an addition to your practice, it is up to you to take that offering or not.

Different styles, no conflicts hre. All fine, all one love behind the one God-cheat =)

Peace and love to you all,
whatever works (Yogani style ;))]]> Can nadi shodana be an alternitive to SBP? Holy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12509&REPLY_ID=111577 Support for AYP Pranayama, Mudras and Bandhas Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:54:21 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12509 Quote:
Hi OneLeaf,

here http://www.dlshq.org/download/pranayama.pdf you can find a lot of info on ida/pingala and about pranayma techniques to purify them (including nadi sodhana).

The best way is to try it out yourself and see what happens in your channels and the body-mind.]]> Some words from stillness Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13056&REPLY_ID=111578 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:46:32 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13056 Quote:
Splendid. ]]> I can't get it Arman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13027&REPLY_ID=111572 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:00:15 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13027 Quote:
Beautiful post from Mr_Anderson. :)

In my very early meditating days I felt nothing. These days it changes from time to time. For some time my meditation may be very peaceful. I feel like I can sink into a peaceful place and keeping the concentration feels easy and nice. Then for a few weeks meditation may be incredibly boring and thoughts enter my mind easily. Then for a few days I might find I can hardly meditate for longer than 2 minutes without wanting to jump up and down or sing the song that is stuck in my head because of the energy bouncing around.

Right now meditation is somewhere in the middle of all those things. I think some people never experience any kind of "symptoms" or energetically occurrences during their meditation.

You may find a time where you wish that your meditation experiences were as simple/'boring' as they once were... or maybe not. I can see many benefits in both having interesting experiences and not having then. I suspect your nervous system is perfect for your journey so I wouldn't worry... although I highly doubt you're still worrying after all the amazing advice and words from the members here. ]]> Kundalini Advice........... BillinL.A.@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13048&REPLY_ID=111570 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:57:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13048 Quote:
I love hearing about your experiences Christi.

quote:
Originally posted by Christi

Hi Redsnake,

The first experience of kundalini I had when I was 21 was of an electrical energy flowing up my spine and exploding in my head. It was very blissful and beautiful. After that came many kundalini symptoms such a shaking, visions of higher beings and so on. So it was a fairly classical kundalini awakening although not as dramatic as Gopi Krishna's. After several years the symptoms stopped.

The second awakening, 15 years later was more dramatic. I have not written about it much on this site but here is a description:

"As I sat in meditation, I felt a strange energy begin to move in my pelvic region. At the same time, I felt the front of my chest expand as if it was energetically opening and a powerful sense of love overwhelmed me. Soon after that I began to notice a swirling sensation above the crown of my head. It was at this point that the current of energy began to flow, starting in my pelvis, flowing up through the middle of my body and out of the top of my head like a stream. The current of energy rapidly began to become stronger in its flow and wider. I felt an energetic formation open on top of my head like an upturned bowl and the stream of energy passed right through the middle of it. By this point it felt as if I had 200 volts of electricity running through the centre of my body. The energy stream became wider and as it did, I began to feel petals of light opening upwards from the crown of my head. The petals began around the edge of the bowl, but flat against my head. As they opened, they curled up around the edge of the bowl and as they did so they each let a stronger stream of energy pass through at the point where they opened from. The energetic flow became stronger and more and more petals opened until maybe 50 petals of light had opened up around the bowl.

By this stage the energy felt like about 1000 volts of electricity flowing up through my body and into the air above my head. The stream of energy had widened into a river about 12 inches wide, almost filling my whole body. I remember thinking that I would not be able to bear the intensity of the experience and that if a few more petals did not open quickly to allow the light through then I would die. At the same time my consciousness was being drawn up into the region above my head and I was able to see that death was simply an opening to another world and not something to fear. So although I felt that I could die at any moment, there was no fear of death, just a sense of awe at the beauty of what was happening. The sensation at my heart was one of love and that at my crown was one of a bliss and peace beyond this world.

Then, as quickly as the experience had begun, the energy stream subsided and ended. The petals on my head curled down, the bowl vanished and my heart centre came to a state of rest. The whole experience lasted for probably 5 minutes at the most, although it is hard to say exactly how long it lasted as there was a sense of timelessness about the whole experience. "


quote:
Also, you say what followed was free of pain? How long did the cleansing period take? I heard it can take years sometimes. I know Gopi krishnas did.


I am still going through the cleansing period and it has been nearly 8 years now. I don't know if you ever reach a point where you could say that the cleansing has ended.

Christi
]]> My Kundalini Experience jeff@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12508&REPLY_ID=111564 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:43:25 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12508 Quote:
Hi Parvarti,

I would agree with you on your right hand path concept. Seems to me that it has already started to unfold. Expect that there should be some interesting bumps along the road over the next few years.

Best wishes, Jeff]]> Petechiae machi@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13046&REPLY_ID=111554 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:58:07 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13046 Quote:
After a doctor's visit, it indeed seems unlikely that there is a (direct) relation between petechiae and kundalini activity.]]> The Bhagavad Gita kami@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13043&REPLY_ID=111553 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:46:32 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13043 Quote:
Universal Desires

The ashrama system based on guna + varna was designed to fulfill the four basic desires of human life:

-Dharma (the desire to lead a purposeful life, contributing to society according to one's gunas)
-Artha (the desire for basic needs [food, shelter, clothing] and material wealth/resources)
-Kama (the desire for fulfillment of sense pleasures - art, music, beauty, sexual union..)
-Moksha (the desire for liberation, and transcending the other three)

These desires must be fulfilled in this order, according to Vedic scripture. For example, unless one's basic needs are met, they cannot be asked to meditate on the Self. Additionally, Moksha cannot be attained unless one has experienced and transcended sense pleasures. All of those vasanas must be exhausted within the context of one's dharma in order to progress to moksha. Adharma results in a continuous loop of vasanas, with moksha being lower and lower on the "list" of desires to be fulfilled. While this progression is something we must all go through, the timeline of this for each of us is different, occurring over lifetimes. Thus, somebody extraordinary like Ramakrishna or Ramana Maharishi may seem to have jumped right to moksha, but that is simply because they have been through the previous stages in previous lifetimes.

The very first verse of the Gita begins with Dhritharasthra asking Sanjaya:
"Sanjaya, what did my sons and the sons of Pandu do when eager to fight, they gathered on Kurukshetra the battleground of Dharma?"

Arjuna (symbolizing us spiritual seekers) has come to this sacred battleground "ripe" for moksha. He has followed his dharma, has accomplished much in his life being a superb/decorated warrior with no wanting for wealth, and has enjoyed all sense pleasures to his heart's content. Yet, it was all transient (albeit needed) and has not erased the deep inner conflict that is characteristic of being human, the pull between mind (manas) and higher reason (buddhi).

Once this inner conflict reaches a critical point, the "itch" to know the Truth arises, to fulfill the final of the four universal desires - moksha.

]]> Help please for asanas for over 60's Lauren_Yoga@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12976&REPLY_ID=111551 Asanas - Postures and Physical Culture Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:58:33 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12976 Quote:
Hi Everyone,

This is a very interesting topic! Thanks for your invaluable sources of information! Catrynn the bridge pose is very simple:
1. Lie down on the floor and place a thick blanket under your shoulders to protect your neck;
2. Bend your knees whilst keeping your feet on the floor;
3. Keep your arms alongside your body, you will need them for strength;
4. Exhale, and push your tailbone upwards towards to pubis, and lift your buttocks off the floor;
5. Lift your buttocks until the thighs are about parallel to the floor. Keep your knees directly over the heels, but push them forward, away from the hips, and lengthen the tailbone toward the backs of the knees. Lift the pubis toward the navel;
6. Lift your chin slightly away from the sternum and, firming the shoulder blades against your back, press the top of the sternum toward the chin. Firm the outer arms, broaden the shoulder blades, and try to lift the space between them at the base of the neck (where it's resting on the blanket) up into the torso.
7. Stay in the pose anywhere from 30 seconds to 1 minute. Release with an exhalation, rolling the spine slowly down onto the floor.

Hope this helps, good luck xx]]> Adyashanti Intensive kami@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12716&REPLY_ID=111540 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:45:24 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12716 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Chakburthi

I really, really, really love listening to Adyashanti. Initially though, I also had the impression that he is almost trying to convince his students with his beautiful eloquence towards enlightenment. But he is indeed not ignorant of the energetic aspects of the path. Also see: http://youtu.be/WysDN5oVqZA
where Adyashanti appears to be everything but embarrassed about his Kundalini experience...
I think his teachings address those ripe ones that have already gone through the Kundalini stage. I have also listened to him, advising a student that has asked about the energy. He basically ignored her question and suggested trying to figure out who is aware (of the energy).


Thank you for sharing the video Chakburthi.

I would agree that his (as well as some other similar teachers) teachings appeal to those who might be ripe enough to make that subtle shift to "who" is aware of the energy or the silence.

After 3 months, I'm still in awe of his humble yet magnificent presence. If anything, he seemed embarrassed to be up on stage as the teacher..

Love to you.]]> Mahavatar Babaji psiberangel@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12737&REPLY_ID=111532 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:12:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12737 Quote:
You're welcome BillinL.A. I'm glad I could share.]]> Who wants energy? Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13049&REPLY_ID=111534 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:11:24 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13049 Quote:
Niiicceee... ]]> This is "my world." Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13051&REPLY_ID=111533 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:08:16 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13051 Quote:
Welcome to our world. ]]> book on Bliss from 70's 80's snake@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13055 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:43:46 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13055 Bluish cover seem to remember.
anyone remember it?
thanks
]]> Four main types of energy/light kriyawit@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12412&REPLY_ID=111531 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:57:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12412 Quote:
Hello Jeff, Hello Govinda, Tell Siddhartha & Hermann Hesse I said hello. Your contribution to this thread is informative and comparable to my own experiences that can be related.

Kriya practice does involve energy manipulation and awareness but as has so rightly been stated here is not the end all or be all.

The energy Manipulation and awareness does turn the senses inwards and does lead to attention being placed on more refined senses and so on and so forth until there is no definable this or that duality drops off.

This can occur during the specific pranayama process itself or at any time but is intended to to be the culmination of the practice ending in what some name Paravastha State. Lahiri Mahasaya used to call it the after poise state of Kriya where no pranayama of any kind is practiced and the only thing done is that which comes natural and easy to do.

So I mention this because it is the only energy based system I have ever worked with for a prolonged period of time.

From this I have concluded all other energy based systems share the same practical repeatable common direction which is the following outlined below:

1.Give the body some small amount of Hatha to expend some of the nervous energy and get the mind more interiorized away from the workaday world you just left. Begin moving energy in the spine in a shallow way Talabya Kriya & Mahamudra. Closed eyes Shambavi Mudra is practiced throughout.

2.Connect the lower nervous system aspect with higher for better energy transmission and a more completed closed physical circuit even in the energy body this is the transition. Full Kechari Mudra or partial. In full Kechari the energy demands the Mudra not the will making the tongue go up into the nasal septum. This full Kechari unfastens the knot of the tongue or Medulla /Ajna Bruhm.

This is like walking through a door and closing it behind you the noise of the world is greatly removed in this quieter place A greater stillness of mind is achieved respiration slows interior movement of attention connects.

A circuit is closed and energy transmission becomes deeper and more profound inner sounds are observed and one is absorbed into them by listening for the sound behind the sound, this can give way to light and sporadic breathless or still state of breath for prolonged periods.

3. OM Japa is placed in the centers with mental verbal application to keep the mind focused, soon the centers respond by erupting and waves of joy and bliss and various degrees of energy of many frequencies are experienced soon this draws one even deeper and the sound of OM is perceived from the vibrating energy and the need for mental application drops away as one becomes even more deeply interorized, one dissolves into the experience at each center.

3.Navi Kriya, Manipura is focused on and enlivened opening the knot at this level and the system is supplied with added Prana to power the practices yet to come here the breathless state may occur repeatedly and often and true pranayama occur.

4.K1 Or Kriya Pranayama Proper similar to spinal breathing yet different centers have now been opened and the spine interiorized into movement becomes very deep inside as does the awareness guiding the Practice of Pranayama and engine of sorts is created and it take son a life of it's own.

More Prana is built as it is moved and circulated in Sushumna in breath rubbing out breath . One feels restriction in the upward breath on the ascent and this is the knot of the Heart or Anahata being loosened even while focusing in the center and moving prana and breath ever upward to Medulla Ajna one may focus from to and of Vishuddas front side to guide the prana and move it deeply in the spine through the heart knot gradually loosening this knot.

When this knot is loosened the breathing becomes less retracted here and prana moved through it smoothly.

There are deep movements of energy and sound gives way to light at times. Later one is deeply interiorized in the spine and Kutastha and there is steady light. Energy sensations occur less frequently or not at all.

The still states of breath are encountered and one knows not at the time when the body wants to breath again whether they were on the in breath or an out breath during these times in-between where breathing ceases and the heart ceases to beat duality no longer exists and the self is known in the still utter stillness it is here when the heart resumes beating that one understands just how much noise there is due to this beating of the heart versus the opposite and how much movement there is versus the stillness.

The heart beating again and the breath coming again is an undesired event compared to the moment before it makes one return in a more shallow way but not in a panic or like before sitting in the worldly sense.

I remember clearly the first time the heart stopped beating and I was astounded there was no pain no nothing just stillness. When it started again it was doing double time trying to find its rhythm and annoyed me so much at that point I said fine body do as you will die if you want!

Imagine having that state of thinking.

Well it smoothed out and slowed down so I continued.

5.Yoni Mudra One perceives the opening of Sushumna and the 5 pointed star as if in the distance in the center of a black orb, the outer ring makes itself known in a big bang effect ever expanding outwards to do so again. As one focuses the white star grows larger to enter it is to experience a Realm of a Golden orb in which one finds oneself inhabiting a body of light and all around one is a glowing orb of cosmic energy golden and Plasma energy like in viscosity but not.

I experienced myself is in the very center in Asana I could see my body of energy Golden white yellow and was seeing with eyes that are not human animal eyes as I could see everything at once even outside of that body and outside of this sphere looks deep space with stars it is like sitting inside of the sun but no heat.

In fact the emotions I experienced were ones of pure freedom and joy as I moved this semi opaque golden energy bodies arms and hands around turning my head this way and that not needing to in order to see with the panoramic vision I now possessed.

This is the best description I have it is only when this fades one realizes how far removed on just was from this reality and that one was not breathing and one has lost all track of time. A normal Kriya session can last 30 minutes. When this occurred I noticed 1 hour and 45 minutes had passed the entire range of Kriyas do not take more than 30 minutes to perform therefore the remaining time must have been spent there and it felt like seconds at most had passed in retrospect.

I wish I could post pictures I made two good illustrations of this. Available to anyone who wants them just e-mail me.

I do not practice Yoni Mudra often because even though there are fantastic experiences to be had and seen and this practice does help one become aware of finer realms and lead one deeper. I prefer to go straight to after poise or paravastha state after K1 Pranayama. Where all of this experiencing is not left behind so much as it is transcended.

6. After-poise of kriya there may be inner sound or light even it depends on the depths achieved in Kriyas previously practiced, on performs what comes easy and natural. I often experience tremendous energy movements the breath will take on a life of its own and go rapid or cease the tongue will of it's own accord seek deeper and deeper regions in the skull, energy is felt moving to make contact via the conduit of the tongue, the tongue completes a deeper circuit and steadiness in Kutastha occurs eyes riveted at the brow like a magnet then light at kutastha then that which words do not describe. There is no sound, there is no light there is no electrical feeling there is a gravitic pull Kutastha and Sahasrara are connected then this is in the back ground then no words can describe this gravirtic vibration is experienced in its fullness then duality not here not there is left behind just being and bliss is known.

Immediately After Kriya I have had it happen where I open my eyes and the lights are turned on and go to put away my seat and I am looking straight ahead yet something seems wrong with the vision as I realize there is a very bright light in-between my eyes and slightly above I am looking around this light in the middle on either side with my meat eyes. I blink a few times and shake my head the light gets out of the way and seeing normal again.

If the room is dark I can see in the pitch black very clearly and the light is there as well or I will see extremely well in the inky black room but it has a rather purple cast to the darkness and a graininess to it right after Kriya. While working as I am now the light is present at the border of my vision or anytime my eyes remain fixed for a period of time.

I have had it happen once where the outline of my vision on the periphery is like a very energetic kaleidoscope think of the movie Stargate with colors like one has never seen on earth or in a movie with even the best special effects the sheer vibrancy and power are unparalleled this was like looking into a hole in the fabric of space and very annoying to have happen outside of sadhana as it was distracting and lasted for over 30 minutes before I could get the feel for shutting it off. It was so strong that it overrode what the physical eyes could see and I had to keep looking around the special effects. Annoying and unwelcome.

After Kriya I do not much feel like speaking to anyone everything is very still and quiet I do not care for the noise of my own voice, nor the mental action of forming words and speech the quietness and bliss are absorbing and it gradually diminishes.

Each time afterwards though more and more bliss and quietness is brought back and over time incorporates into daily life. I can see for a fact that compared to 12 months ago there has been a qualitative transformation for the better.

There is more stillness, more peace, more love and compassion a more natural & Happy disposition I find myself ever more the witness on deeper and deeper levels.

I know how to create intoxication from Sahasrara but even as Govinda states there is no reason to walk around in a God intoxicated state. This is just an extreme state and I agree it is better to work into everything gradually rather than become blasted by states that are so powerful they can not be sustained by the novice visitor.

It is important to make these dips into the infinite though as each visit swimming in the indescribable makes it easier to return and stay longer and become ever more that. With each visit one becomes a little more wet and stays that way longer before long all of the water drops merge and form a new level of awareness one operates from in daily life.

So this is the way I have learned to transition the various layers of awareness step by step and use the energy as a stepping stone but even that is not quite right it is more like using the energy to take you closer to the edge of the bubble where you effortlessly intuitively make the leap to the next more inner refined state until you leave even that behind and merge in non duality in oneness.

I am beginning to understand or perceive there will come a day where all of the preliminary energy work of the Kriyas are not needed merely stilling the body entering Kechari and the after-poise state will come on it's own but this is a ways off from where I am now but has also never been closer at the same time.

So here is a way energy is used to transition.]]> Book: Jackson Peterson, The Natural Bliss of Being jeff@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13054&REPLY_ID=111526 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:51:13 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13054 Quote:
Hi Mr. Anderson,

Jackson Peterson has been active on many Buddhist and Taoist forums for a while. There are many strong opinions regarding him (he goes by Jax on most sites). I believe that he just recently completed this first book.

Best wishes, Jeff]]> Mulabandha-beginner's question Christi@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13053&REPLY_ID=111525 Support for AYP Pranayama, Mudras and Bandhas Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:48:09 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13053 Quote:
Hi Lalow,

Welcome to the forum.

What is happening for you is called automatic yoga. Another word for this is kriya. It is fine to simply let it happen when it happens, it is prana doing it's thing in the body. It can happen on exhale because prans falls down to the lower centres on exhale, so nothing to worry about there.

If you are ready to add mulabandha, that is fine. You can add mulabandha during spinal breathing. Keep an eye on things and watch out for any signs of energetic overload.

All the best

Christi]]> My Story CarsonZi@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=8369&REPLY_ID=111524 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:33:25 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8369 Quote:
Hi Redsnake,

Thanks!

I'm actually right in the middle of re-writing this story as it's going into publication at the end of the month as part of the "Yoga Stories" compilation book I mentioned in the original post. I will likely update this thread with the new writing once it's finished.

Love!
Carson ]]> Painful, Involuntary Air Swallowing tamasaburo@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13052 Kundalini - AYP Practice-Related Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:20:25 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13052
I blame myself getting too aggressive with jalandhara bandha. I had been using my hands to help push my chin down into the hollow above my chest, and it felt extremely ecstatic to do so, especially when combining this with yoni mudra kumbhaka, which would cause me to feel a great pleasure in my upper back. It didn't seem to be causing any problems at the time, and it was extremely pleasurable, so I didn't think to "pace" myself.

Also wondering about the connection between jalandhara and swallowing air. I've read here that some air getting into the GI tract is a normal part of the process, and I've previously experienced harmless gurglings in my stomach and intestine, but is jalandhara somehow related to this process? I can understand how I might have caused my neck muscles to become sore with too much jalandhara, but it's harder to fathom why suddenly I'm unintentionally swallowing a lot of air, and whether that is a result of the jalandhara, or something else.

I haven't done any jalandhara for a few days now and I'm still having this very annoying pain. I guess it will probably go away on its own with a little more rest, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this particular side effect, and, if so, whether there's anything to be done to alleviate it. Also, is there a good way I can continue to do jalandhara bandha without risking this kind of painful side effect? Thank you! ]]> A sufi song on love for the satguru of islam Namath@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13047&REPLY_ID=111519 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:58:02 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13047 Quote:
SAW

Macca! ]]>