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| Kirtanman |
Posted - Nov 08 2009 : 9:56:43 PM
Meet "Wayne Wirs, Newly-Minted Enlightened Guy".
http://waynewirs.com/
His realization is clearly authentic; he's got some interesting stuff to say.
And he's a good and creative photographer.
And, he seems to be doing a good job of noting what it feels like to be a recent arrival on the mountain-top, before the newness, and the "way there" resolve themselves entirely.
And so, "recommend reading", fer shure.
Wholeheartedly,
Kirtanman |
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| Christi |
Posted - Mar 21 2010 : 4:39:35 PM
Hi Danny,
Beautiful poem... thanks for that.
I wrote one for you:
Beyond the things of the mind
No one stirs
But love moves, like a wind moving over the water
Or a hand passing through air
Peace beyond measure
Radiant
Joy-filled
Loving all as Self.
All the best to you too.
Christi |
| Smileyogi |
Posted - Mar 19 2010 : 04:02:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
Hi Danny,
And thanks for expanding on your own experience of the body of light (a.k.a. rainbow body). This ties in with my own experiences of it. I know what you mean by scary and beautiful at the same time. Actually making the temporary shift into the light body was probably one of the scariest moments of my life. Somehow I stayed calm at the same time, because of the sheer beauty and awe involved.
Hi Christi...it is a pleasure to talk with serious practitioners.
I am heaving a hard time reading all the posts on this site,so please bear with me...(even though I can speed read..but I'll explain other time how I do it)..But I recognized you have wisdom,then there is some other guy named adamantclearlight(whom is that guy?..besides you,he is one of the wisest,I'm telling you..) and some others like tibetanice and lots of others I forget right now...of course yogani rules..from the quotes I read of him,he is wise.(I'm still busy reading..)
This site is chocked with some real guys whom speak the walk,and walk the talk...
Plus on the positive side..you guys have a healthy moderators assistance..so personal jabs are not really encouraged.
This is a sign of wisdom..I sense some sanity here,at last.
So I composed a fresh poem for you,Christi..on my blog.
http://kriptodanny.blogspot.com/201...me-time.html
Here is it..
Behold the marvelous dentist
Long live the clear rainbow light!!
Thus spokenth the mahayogi
While flexing his wisdom muscles..
Behold the clear light!!!
Now you see it,now it's gone
Because you have a tooth-ache
Named false assumptions..
So take off your glasses
Maybe you'll see better
And know there was no seer
Just the light seeing itself
In the rainbow glasses
Of the clear light body...
Now go to the kriptodanny dentist
He will cure your false assumptions
There is no tooth to ache..
There is no spoon either...
All there is..is the rainbow body
Of the tooth-ache ..
Marvelous dentist!
Now love me..kisses:)
-added by danny-
Just know that you are loved by a mahayogi...Christi:) live long and prosper my good man.
Kisses
danny |
| Christi |
Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 09:53:14 AM
Hi Danny,
Thanks for joining us.
quote:
Hi guys..nice forum.
I posted on http://kriptodanny.blogspot.com/200...ow-body.html the quotes Christi refers too..They are mine,even though Christi said,,someone learning to use the light body,,.
That someone is me..anyway.
My apologies there... it wasn't clear from your website if you were writing from your own experience, or quoting someone else. Thanks for making it clear.
And thanks for expanding on your own experience of the body of light (a.k.a. rainbow body). This ties in with my own experiences of it. I know what you mean by scary and beautiful at the same time. Actually making the temporary shift into the light body was probably one of the scariest moments of my life. Somehow I stayed calm at the same time, because of the sheer beauty and awe involved.
quote:
In retrospection,I don't think one could work for it,like..do this..and you'll go,,poof,, in a rainbow body(but maybe I'm mistaken,is just not part of my tradition)
It happened to me after an intense period practicing the methods on this website for about 3 hours a day.
All the best,
Christi |
| Smileyogi |
Posted - Mar 18 2010 : 03:26:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Christi That's what I thought. And thanks for the link. There is a beautiful description in the link of someone learning to use the light body for the first time:
“the truth is that sometime ago, after heavy meditation and fasting ..I have managed to disappear as light.And survived coming back....The problem is that the universe around me also proved to be the same light.So that's WHY I started laughing like a mad man while I was in the middle of the forest...or maybe the forest was laughing too?....All I know is I could see thru my hands...and all I could see was rainbow colors ..and the trees also were made of the same stuff as me....I was,and I am..everybody.
I am you,my beloved...my beloved me.
I know for sure was not some mind trick,because I passed my hand thru some tree..and my hand went right thru it..while all the molecules of rainbow body were laughing at me for trying it..that's when I started laughing too....that was the day when I laughed about the notion of death itself.
Even the tree was laughing at me..well.... because the tree was me too...hahahahaha..lol”
Hi Christi..thank you for calling my experience ,,beautiful,,..( on the http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....page=7#60506 post)actually it was beyond beautiful..it was scary and beautiful in the same time.
Hi guys..nice forum.
I posted on http://kriptodanny.blogspot.com/200...ow-body.html the quotes Christi refers too..They are mine,even though Christi said,,someone learning to use the light body,,.
That someone is me..anyway.
Happy to see so many serious practitioners discuss their experiences.
About that famous ,,rainbow body,, experience I've had..It took me completely by surprise.
Because seeing lights or becoming a light-beam(aka rainbow body) wasn't in my expectations..it just happened.
In retrospection,I don't think one could work for it,like..do this..and you'll go,,poof,, in a rainbow body(but maybe I'm mistaken,is just not part of my tradition)
Also,as I recall..I was at the end of a serious 8 months fasting(more or less) and meditation in the forests,while I was travelling by foot from Miami to Philadelphia...lost over 40 lb in the process.The more skinny I'd get,the more my meditations were becoming more amazing..kundalini waves were manifesting as a cool breeze in an empty shell of a skin bag,named ,,the body,,.
Total bliss indeed.
So I figured..why bother meditating,Danny..just go in the forest and abandon the body.
So as I was stepping deeper and deeper in the forest,with each step I'd abandon some deep layers of ego(while I was still in total bliss and joy).
Then I stopped still right in the middle of forest..and realized that I have abandoned even the idea of abandoning the body.
Then I asked aloud...then why I am here?
And set down in lotus,wondering about this question,looking around.,scratching my 8 months grown beard.
Then something happened...
As I abandoned even that question(why I am here?..on this earth I ment)..then poof..as I looked around..everything was light..I was a rainbow of light.I could see thru the trees too..and every one of them ,every leaf was me.
So I guess in the end it comes down to ,,letting go,, and something,the real nature will reveal itself.
When I saw that my real nature was light..and the same as the forest..I started to laugh so hard..of my previous stupidity to abandon the body.There is no one to abandon the body,see?
The meaning I got after that experience,as everything turned to normal..and the forest was there again,was that I was the light experiencing itself.
Never talked about that for years,till I read about the tibetan buddhists ,,rainbow of light,, and stuff.
Took me awhile to process the experience,really.
This stuff is real,indeed.
And about 3 weeks after that,as I was walking on the streets,I could see the people empty..just shadows of light,not aware of their essence.
Anyway,hope I haven't bothered you with my babbling ,I hope,hopefully..because you are the hope of the world(which doesn't exist,but it could if enough people realize their true nature)
with hope,danny:) |
| cosmic |
Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 1:25:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jeff
Is it possible that your perspective (and perceived goal) may be different, if you start with a K-awakening rather than a search for knowledge? How did you all get started on your search?
I think so. If a K-awakening is beyond the scope of your knowledge/belief system, then it may take you a long time to figure out what's happening to you (if you ever do).
For me, I was fairly "well-read" on eastern paths (Buddhism, Taoism, Zen) when my K woke up. So I wasn't shocked to have a mystical experience, but I didn't know what it was until years later. I started practicing and studying hatha yoga shortly after this event, then came across AYP. Then learned about kundalini and connected the dots.
Looking back, I now see that the awakening is what led me to yoga. I wasn't actively pursuing yoga, but discovered that my gym had yoga classes, and tried it on a whim. Then started looking into it more, one thing led to another, etc.
With Love
cosmic |
| manigma |
Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 03:14:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jeff
Is it possible that your perspective (and perceived goal) may be different, if you start with a K-awakening rather than a search for knowledge? How did you all get started on your search?
You never ask a plant how it learned to grow such colourful flowers on it? And why?
Yet there are different flowers with different colours and fragrances. Do you think they had a goal?
Its all natural. We have no goal.
Please read the book 'Eight limbs of Yoga' by Yogani ji:
http://www.aypsite.org/books-8limbs-contents.html
Its all interconnected. In one life you may lean towards practices that allow Kundalni awakening, yet in another life towards Yoga and yet again Self Enquiry or other. Or maybe all of them together in one life depending upon your soul's thirst.
My body was making an asana this morning. I don't know which one but it was bending my back, my neck and legs all at the same time. Earlier I used to get afraid but now I just let these happen. I have no goal anymore. |
| chinna |
Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 2:54:05 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jeff
but I wonder if it is all of us coming from a different reference/framework.
Is it possible that your perspective (and perceived goal) may be different, if you start with a K-awakening rather than a search for knowledge? How did you all get started on your search?
Thanks Jeff. They are different ways of viewing the same reality, essentially the same path and the same end. Either emphasis will lead to the realisation of the truth of the other emphasis. Hence AYP includes jnana yoga, and most jnana yogis will confirm kundalini effects (but at the same time say they are of no significance and advise against getting diverted by them).
Different points of view in the path to no point of view.
My path was always advaita/jnana, the enquiry into who/what I am or any of this IS or is for. That enquiry coincided with the explosion of life-energy which is understood in the spiritual traditions as chi/kundalini/prana/holy spirit.
Life-energy unfoldment (kundalini) and non-dual unknowing (jnana) both 'cause' and are 'caused by' each other in equal measure, and are the same no-thing/realisation of emptiness.
chinna
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| jeff |
Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 1:04:48 PM
Thank you all very much for this thread! I only recently found it and the information has been very helpful, far more informative than anything I have ever read.
To me there seems to be two basic logic flows on enlightenment...
The larger group that is: just let go... and you find unity.
and
the Christi & Tibetian-Ice with: there is much more and higher levels.
This is very important to me, because I did not find myself here "searching for enlightenment". I was just living my life trying to be a decent husband, father and person. For me, it is more like being guided (or "pushed") on a path. Over the last few years, I have found a fundamental shift in myself & thinking, including massive energy bliss (even speech can have form and resonate).
I grew up Christian, but like Kirtanman, non-dual Kashmir Shavamism seems to fit as a framework for me. But, I seem to get more "spiritual aspects" out of the "spanda - vibration" works. In addition, I have found that I can manipulate the energy, but I find that I don't care about possible powers (which being a comic book fan as a kid is surprising).
With the outside force (Holy Spirit/Kundalini) guiding, I find myself more leaning towards Christi, but I wonder if it is all of us coming from a different reference/framework.
Is it possible that your perspective (and perceived goal) may be different, if you start with a K-awakening rather than a search for knowledge? How did you all get started on your search?
Thanks for any help and guidence.
Regards, Jeff |
| manigma |
Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 02:13:05 AM
Quote:
Oh friend, seeking and searching, I was gradually lost. The ocean has fallen into the drop, now how can the drop be sought out?
The ocean has descended into the drop. Had it been the drop that had fallen into the ocean perhaps somehow I would have sought it out, but just the opposite has happened: it is the whole ocean that has fallen into the drop. Now even if I want to I would not know where to look for this drop. Now this drop cannot be found.
The mediums that have enabled us to know all that we have known in the world become useless in knowing what happens in the moment of samadhi. We ourselves become useless. Our very existence gets shattered. Some bigger existence, which has no limits, bursts forth on us -- suddenly. We die in the process.
Samadhi is the ultimate death, bigger than the physical death; because in the physical death only the body dies, the mind survives, whereas in samadhi the mind dies.
http://www.balbro.com/heart/beat11.htm
Adhyatma Upanishad
Master Daikaku said: Even if you don't become enlightened, when you sit once in meditation, you are a buddha for that sitting; when you sit for a day in meditation, you are a buddha for a day; when you sit in meditation all your life, you are a buddha all your life.  |
| CarsonZi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 4:59:01 PM
Awesome.....thanks for the clarification Christi....I think I understand now.
Love,
 |
| Christi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 4:51:49 PM
Hi Carson,
The issue may be confused because the term nirvikalpa samadhi is sometimes used to refer to the thoughtless state, as one literal translation of the Sanskrit is "samadhi without thought" [nir- without, vikalpa- thought]. Another literal translation of nirvikalpa samadhi is "samadhi beyond space and time" [nir-without, vi- to change, kalpa- a period of time]. A kalpa is 4.8 billion years, so in nirvikalpa samadhi, even the 4.8 billion year time cycles don't move. But from within nirvikalpa samadhi, the whole cosmos can be seen flowing into existence. It is the point from which the Isha Upanishad begins to make some sense:
quote:
It moves and It moves not. It is far and also It is near. It is within and also It is without all this. It is near to those who have the power to understand It, for It dwells in the heart of every one; but It seems far to those whose mind is covered by the clouds of sensuality and self– delusion. It is within, because It is the innermost Soul of all creatures; and It is without as the essence of the whole external universe, infilling it like the all–pervading ether.
from: http://www.yoga-age.com/upanishads/isha.html
So yes, according to the most common usage of the terms, in full nirvikalpa samadhi you would not be able to walk around or make a cup of tea. In fact, even if all the angels in heaven descended around you, you would not know that they were there. If you are in continuous samadhi, knowing yourself to be the ocean, and are making a cup of tea then that is what is normally called sahaja samadhi.
Here is a part of a question and answer session with Ramana Maharshi on the necessity of experiencing nirvikalpa samadhi in relation to knowing the Self:
quote:
Question : Is nirvikalpa samadhi absolutely necessary before the attainment of sahaja?
Ramana Maharshi : Abiding permanently in any of these samadhis, either savikalpa or nirvikalpa, is sahaja [the natural state]. What is body-consciousness? It is the insentient body plus consciousness. Both of these must lie in another consciousness which is absolute and unaffected and which remains as it always is, with or without the body-consciousness. What does it then matter whether the body-consciousness is lost or retained, provided one is holding on to that pure consciousness? Total absence of body-consciousness has the advantage of making the samadhi more intense, although it makes no difference to the knowledge of the supreme.
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/E..._Samadhi.htm
So the natural state comes when all vasanas (mental tendencies) have been eradicated through the process of purification. In that condition the natural sate (sahaja samadhi) is there, whether there is bodily (space/time) awareness (savikalpa samadhi) or not (nirvikalpa samadhi).
Christi
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| chinna |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 4:01:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by manigma
quote:
Originally posted by chinna
A zen master was once asked what he wanted most, and he replied 'to be an ordinary guy on the street'.
i don't know who the questioner was and why that zen master replied this. but normally an awakened one would never want to be someone else. he is fine with whatever he is... be it a king, a master, a businessman or an ordinary guy. you know that too
I am reminded of the advaitin Robert Adams, who was increasingly frequented by devotees towards the end of his life, and consented to teach as requested, but who really was happiest being left alone to walk on the beach with his dog. I took the zen master's comment to be in that vein. Sitting on a platform and wearing all that gear and behaving in the formal, mannered, way expected by students, so that they can pursue the path and get realised too, may well be irksome for one who has realised his ordinariness. St Paul expressed similar feelings about Jewish practice - he continued with it for the others who hadn't yet 'got it' and realised their freedom. Enlightenment doesn't mean being beyond ordinary feelings, including of duty and its potential irksomeness. It does mean being beyond the imagining of different destinies for oneself, I agree.
chinna
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| CarsonZi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 2:38:13 PM
Hi adamant
quote:
Originally posted by adamantclearlight
I mean I would just look into your nirvikalpa samadhi experience check what about that is not your own awareness (without the tensions)?
I can only speak from my personal experiences of "nirvikalpa" based on the "definition" most common for it (meaning the wikipedia definition), but there was nothing in these experiences that was not awareness. It was pure awareness, with no knowledge of form....just pure awareness. But being in a state of pure awareness without any knowledge of form, "I" (meaning the awareness when bound to the body) did not exist, so I could not have got up and walked around doing things like washing the dishes or driving to work....if the body was up walking around, the awareness was not conscious of it (during these states of what I would call nirvikalpa). So my question is: "If nirvikalpa samadhi (as defined by wikipedia and some of you here) is "the natural, ordinary state", then how can one reside in nirvikalpa (the natural ordinary state) and still do things in "regular daily life?" In my experience that would not be possible because there would have to be an awareness of form, which to my understanding would be the definition of savikalpa samadhi (or perhaps sahaj samadhi).
Thanks for any clarification.
Love,
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| adamantclearlight |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 2:09:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CarsonZi
Ok....I just have to ask.....
Everytime I have experienced what would fit the common definition of "nirvikalpa samadhi" there is no ability to function as a normal human being...."I'm" simply not there. So if nirvikalpa is our "ordinary state", then how is one supposed to function as a human being in nirvikalpa samadhi or is that just not possible and a "functioning" nirvikalpa samadhi would be termed "sahaj samadhi"?
Love,
I mean I would just look into your nirvikalpa samadhi experience check what about that is not your own awareness (without the tensions)?
Adamant |
| CarsonZi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 1:49:45 PM
Ok....I just have to ask.....
Everytime I have experienced what would fit the common definition of "nirvikalpa samadhi" there is no ability to function as a normal human being...."I'm" simply not there. So if nirvikalpa is our "ordinary state", then how is one supposed to function as a human being in nirvikalpa samadhi or is that just not possible and a "functioning" nirvikalpa samadhi would be termed "sahaj samadhi"?
Love,
|
| adamantclearlight |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 1:40:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by manigma
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a name given to our natural state.
The easiest method to achieve it is to remain just natural.
The description given at avatarbabaji.com mentioned by Christi is not only a method but a process when one returns to its natural state.
But it will no longer remain a method for the one who has achieved Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Once achieved, then it just becomes a remembrance. Then one can just sit and go into Nirvikalpa Samadhi instantly.
Yes. And as Chinna said, it is an ordinary state. Very natural, normal and ordinary.
Adamant |
| Christi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 12:22:57 PM
Hi Manigma,
Maybe the zen master was an ordinary guy on the street. |
| manigma |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 09:56:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by chinna
A zen master was once asked what he wanted most, and he replied 'to be an ordinary guy on the street'.
i don't know who the questioner was and why that zen master replied this. but normally an awakened one would never want to be someone else. he is fine with whatever he is... be it a king, a master, a businessman or an ordinary guy. you know that too |
| chinna |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 07:17:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by manigma
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a name given to our natural state.
The easiest method to achieve it is to remain just natural.
The description given at avatarbabaji.com mentioned by Christi is not only a method but a process when one returns to its natural state.
But it will no longer remain a method for the one who has achieved Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Once achieved, then it just becomes a remembrance. Then one can just sit and go into Nirvikalpa Samadhi instantly.
Thanks Manigma for this reminder. Amidst all the complexities of technique and the glamour of the exotic, we remind ourselves that it is all about recognising the natural state. If we live well, it happens naturally as we age. There are countless enlightened people who have never heard the word. They just carry on ordinary lives, having become unusually open and at peace, lighting other's lives by their presence, not specially noticed. The feelings of spinal ascent, interior lights and all the rest are measures of our self-contraction as it releases, and the thought-free state only seems unusual amidst obsessive thinking, including about how to achieve it. The paradox of the spiritual paths is that they hold out the promise of being special, and end in the realisation of being ordinary. A zen master was once asked what he wanted most, and he replied 'to be an ordinary guy on the street'.
chinna |
| Christi |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 06:45:13 AM
Hi TI,
quote:
Hi Christi,
Thanks for your responses.
I guess I was more interested in which method you personally use to enter nirvikalpa samadhi. For example, if you had to give step by step instructions to someone on how to enter nirvikalpa samadhi, what would you tell them?
To start at the beginning of the AYP lessons, and work their way through, step by step, adding the practices as they are described and following the cautions given. Each lesson (and practice) has a specific purpose designed to bring people to enlightenment surely and safely. It is all there in the main lessons. There is some terminology which Yogani does not use in the main lessons, and the term "nirvikalpa samadhi" is one of those terms. But AYP is a fully integrated system of Yoga, so it includes everything, even if specific terms are not used.
Christi |
| manigma |
Posted - Dec 18 2009 : 04:27:51 AM
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is a name given to our natural state.
The easiest method to achieve it is to remain just natural.
The description given at avatarbabaji.com mentioned by Christi is not only a method but a process when one returns to its natural state.
But it will no longer remain a method for the one who has achieved Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Once achieved, then it just becomes a remembrance. Then one can just sit and go into Nirvikalpa Samadhi instantly. |
| Tibetan_Ice |
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 9:34:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
Hi TI,
p.s.
Here is a description of entering nirvikalpa samadhi:
"By monitoring the breathing and watching the object of meditation become focused the breath or consciousness and “energy” will as you breath in towards maximum move up through the spine moving into the throat and into the cranium. It is this passage moving fully up the central channel or shushumna that allow Samadhi to take place.
By sitting in Samadhi and focusing on nothing or the object of meditation (one or the other) the mind will relax (mental distractions will slow and stop) and the higher or deeper need for full body relaxation will take you higher into cosmic consciousness (nirvikalpa Samadhi)."
From: http://www.avatarbabaji.com/blog/ta...lpa-samadhi/
And again here:
"The Door of Brahman
The matured state of the soul. It is the wisdom that comes as an aftermath of the kundalini breaking through the door of Brahman into the realization of Parasiva, Absolute Reality. The repeated samadhis of Parasiva ever deepen this flow of divine knowing which establishes the knower in an extraordinary point of reference, totally different from those who have not attained this enlightenment. "
http://www.experiencefestival.com/door_of_brahman
The Door of Brahman is the brahmarundra which is located slightly above the crown chakra. Parasiva is the absolute which is experienced in nirvikalpa samadhi.
Christi
Hi Christi,
Thanks for your responses.
I guess I was more interested in which method you personally use to enter nirvikalpa samadhi. For example, if you had to give step by step instructions to someone on how to enter nirvikalpa samadhi, what would you tell them?
:)
TI |
| Christi |
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 5:40:03 PM
Hi TI,
p.s.
Here is a description of entering nirvikalpa samadhi:
"By monitoring the breathing and watching the object of meditation become focused the breath or consciousness and “energy” will as you breath in towards maximum move up through the spine moving into the throat and into the cranium. It is this passage moving fully up the central channel or shushumna that allow Samadhi to take place.
By sitting in Samadhi and focusing on nothing or the object of meditation (one or the other) the mind will relax (mental distractions will slow and stop) and the higher or deeper need for full body relaxation will take you higher into cosmic consciousness (nirvikalpa Samadhi)."
From: http://www.avatarbabaji.com/blog/ta...lpa-samadhi/
And again here:
"The Door of Brahman
The matured state of the soul. It is the wisdom that comes as an aftermath of the kundalini breaking through the door of Brahman into the realization of Parasiva, Absolute Reality. The repeated samadhis of Parasiva ever deepen this flow of divine knowing which establishes the knower in an extraordinary point of reference, totally different from those who have not attained this enlightenment. "
http://www.experiencefestival.com/door_of_brahman
The Door of Brahman is the brahmarundra which is located slightly above the crown chakra. Parasiva is the absolute which is experienced in nirvikalpa samadhi.
Christi |
| chinna |
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 4:45:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Christi
We're always there, together... we always have been!
Christi
chinna |
| Christi |
Posted - Dec 17 2009 : 2:58:08 PM
Hi Kirtanman,
quote:
When I use the term "enlightenment", I'm referring to the cessation of stages.
What I meant to convey is this:
There are many, many ways to come to know true nature ..... the experiencing of just being "all the way in" ....... the utter harmony of living unbound, unconcerned about self, enlightenment or anything else .... artificial self-reference falls away .... because artificial ideas of self fall away.
Not all of these ways t/here involve the dynamics that we would normally define as "samadhi" .... that's all I meant.
Thanks for that clarification.
Christi |
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