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Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP

Gurglings,thirdeye openings,Kundalini storms??

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karl	Posted - Aug 16 2011 : 10:08:42 AM I think I'm missing out I read all these things and can't say I have experienced much of anything. Pranayama and meditations are free of anything particularly memorable as the fireworks I read through this forum. All I know is the unmoving, timeless something that is the true self. I am now my own witness if that makes any sense. All these other things seem like something from a fantastic fun fair, like a huge glamorous show. Brilliant, it's like I missed out on all the rides and went straight home. It seems a bit like a seed, eventually it gets roots and some sort of upper growth. Some unfold out as Rose bushes,Giant Trees or entire gardens complete with waterfalls, but it's all the same movement back towards what already was. My experiences by comparison seem to have been the single blade of grass.
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asimpleseeker	Posted - Feb 15 2012 : 9:45:47 PM Thank you. I did read that. It is very enlightening.
woosa	Posted - Feb 15 2012 : 07:12:09 AM Hi At AYP that sort of thing is classed as 'scenery' and does not take precedence over the practice you are doing i.e. meditation, spinal breathing etc. When scenery happens just continue what you are doing; like bringing your attention back to mantra. Just take things like that in your stride I see tunnels, colours and sometimes camels! However, if you are not practicing AYP then it's best to follow the teachings of the system you are practicing. Mixing up different systems probably won't be as effective. This lesson covers quite a bit regarding question Lesson 92 - The Star All the best
asimpleseeker	Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 11:18:21 PM Tonight the 3rd eye was like staring into a car's headlight. I was told to merge with it. But in years of meditating I have been unable to do it.
karl	Posted - Feb 12 2012 : 08:31:59 AM quote: Originally posted by asimpleseeker I used the yoni mudra. I thank all of you for your advice. I WILL start at the beginning lesson. Namaste. Welcome Simpleseeker. Start with the basic deep meditation practice ans add others as you become stable, always heed the self pace advice. If you have any symptoms that seem odd, then just slow everything down. Get plenty of grounding alongside the practices and reme,ber to have fun with family and friends along the way. PS I did not notice your original post was a first post so apologies for the lack of manners in welcoming you the first time around. This thread is really a bit tongue in cheek and a bit of self deprecation and humour along our sometimes, overly serious path, so the reply was supposed to be funny.
asimpleseeker	Posted - Feb 12 2012 : 07:02:09 AM I used the yoni mudra. I thank all of you for your advice. I WILL start at the beginning lesson. Namaste.
karl	Posted - Feb 11 2012 : 09:04:09 AM quote: Originally posted by maheswari Karl you did not answer me about turning into octopus..i thought it was a witty joke :(
maheswari	Posted - Feb 11 2012 : 05:40:37 AM Karl you did not answer me about turning into octopus..i thought it was a witty joke :(
gatito	Posted - Feb 10 2012 : 3:18:07 PM quote: Originally posted by asimpleseeker Using the proper technique I can see the third eye. It is a beautiful bright yellow, just like staring into the headlight of a car. My question now is, What do I do with it? Hi asimpleseeker and welcome What you do with it depends on what you want to do. In some systems, you would use it as an object of meditation. In AYP it is viewed as "scenery" and attention is brought gently back to the object used here (the IAM mantra) or the practice (e.g. Spinal Breathing Pranayama). I'm assuming that you're new to AYP, so start with Lesson 1 and work your way through steadily paying particular attention to "Self-pacing" if you want to follow the AYP system (which is the most complete, straightforward and comprehensive set of practices that I've ever come across ) With Love
maheswari	Posted - Feb 10 2012 : 1:01:41 PM quote: Using the proper technique I can see the third eye what technique? quote: Only the third? I'm onto my seventh eye, 4th nostril and 9th ear. Then comes the arms.......so, so many arms Karl are you becoming an octopus?
karl	Posted - Feb 10 2012 : 08:08:52 AM quote: Originally posted by asimpleseeker Using the proper technique I can see the third eye. It is a beautiful bright yellow, just like staring into the headlight of a car. My question now is, What do I do with it? Only the third? I'm onto my seventh eye, 4th nostril and 9th ear. Then comes the arms.......so, so many arms
asimpleseeker	Posted - Feb 10 2012 : 07:55:05 AM Using the proper technique I can see the third eye. It is a beautiful bright yellow, just like staring into the headlight of a car. My question now is, What do I do with it?
karl	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 12:59:11 PM quote: Originally posted by Christi Hi Karl, quote: On the whole it felt more comfortable, if, slightly weaker. Like exercising without using sufficient effort. Not sure if that will go with time? Yes, that feeling will go with time, especially once the ecstatic connections start happening and everything starts to light up from the inside. You may also find that you are quite quickly able to move through the head without any heavy breathing or discomfort after just a few weeks, or months. All the best, Christi Well I like the sound of that so shall follow it. Probably can increase the time to 10 minutes as it was far more relaxing.
Christi	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 12:54:59 PM Hi Karl, quote: On the whole it felt more comfortable, if, slightly weaker. Like exercising without using sufficient effort. Not sure if that will go with time? Yes, that feeling will go with time, especially once the ecstatic connections start happening and everything starts to light up from the inside. You may also find that you are quite quickly able to move through the head without any heavy breathing or discomfort after just a few weeks, or months. All the best, Christi
karl	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 11:44:52 AM A case of reading what I wanted to read. I knew about the jump from root to crown but not so much about the other advice. I find the visualisation to be very difficult, which is why I simply went with the sensation of moving up and down the spine. Yogani suggested this if visualisation proved difficult. I had a go this morning by just limiting the depth of inhalation, it did feel easier. Occasionally I got sucked back into following the energy sensation and haviing heroic levels of inhalation. On the whole it felt more comfortable, if, slightly weaker. Like exercising without using sufficient effort. Not sure if that will go with time?
Christi	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 08:15:15 AM Hi Karl, quote: That's not in the AYP books or lessons is it ? So just breathe normally, forget about following energy currents or silver thread and miss out the head part? I will give it a whirl. It is all from the lessons... I'm not just making it up as I go along. If you look at lesson 41 it reads: "Sit comfortably with back support, and close your eyes just as you do when you meditate. Now, keeping your mouth closed, breathe in and out slowly and deeply through your nose, but not to the extreme. Be relaxed and easy about it, breathing as slowly and deeply as possible without discomfort. There is no need to be heroic." So if you are asthmatic, and slowing the breath down leads to discomfort then leave it out. The most important thing is to be comfortable and relaxed. The next part on the same lesson says: "Next, with each rising inhalation of the breath, allow your attention to travel upward inside a tiny thread, or tube, you visualize beginning at your perineum, continuing up through the center of your spine, and up through the stem of your brain to the center of your head. At the center of your head the tiny nerve makes a turn forward to the point between your eyebrows. " When sensations arise during spinal breathing the advice is not to be distracted by them, and just continue with the simple practice. It is here in lesson 44: "So, imagining the spinal nerve is just a beginning, We have to start somewhere. As we trace out the path of it over and over again with the breath, something begins to happen. Something starts coming up. It may be feelings. It may be colors. It may be sounds. We will experience something. We just keep practicing, not detouring very much into the sensations that come up. " The advice about bypassing the head and jumping straight to the ajna chakra is given by Yogani for two different cases. The first is where people find it hard initially to synchronise the breath with the attention moving up the spine. He says to simply jump with the attention to the ajna when you reach the end of an inhalation, and the same with jumping to the root at the end of an exhalation. The second case where I have heard him advise it is where people have a blockage which they cannot move past in the shushumna nadi. He says to simply jump past it. Give it a whirl, and see how it goes. It's actually one of the most amazing practices on earth. Christi
karl	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 06:37:15 AM quote: Originally posted by Christi Hi Karl, Yes, that is the same here... if the breath slows down it can turn into hyper-ventilation which is not really good preparation for meditation! But I also find that sometimes, the breath can slow down on it's own during spinal breathing and the hyperventilation doesn't happen, so I guess you just have to monitor it and find what works. If you are in doubt, just breathe normally and don't let your breath be slowed by any of the energy currents of the body. Christi That's not in the AYP books or lessons is it ? So just breathe normally, forget about following energy currents or silver thread and miss out the head part? I will give it a whirl.
Christi	Posted - Feb 05 2012 : 06:02:08 AM Hi Karl, Yes, that is the same here... if the breath slows down it can turn into hyper-ventilation which is not really good preparation for meditation! But I also find that sometimes, the breath can slow down on it's own during spinal breathing and the hyperventilation doesn't happen, so I guess you just have to monitor it and find what works. If you are in doubt, just breathe normally and don't let your breath be slowed by any of the energy currents of the body. Christi
karl	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 6:50:23 PM I sometimes start with normal breathing but it often turns into a much deeper thing. If it wasn't for the slow exhale I would be hyper ventilating. When I think about it, during the NLP trainings we did practice some energy work by deep breathing for 3 minutes. I hated it as it very uncomfortable and I became light headed and nauseous. Not sure why this is, except when I was in my teens I used to cycle a lot. I trained myself to do controlled breathing for tough ascents. It was medative in many ways, I learned to control my breath to quite a degree and had some ability to reduce my heart rate. We used to race a bit for fun and the breath control gave me a big advantage in the hills. During testing for Asthma the GP performed an oxygen absorption test and was surprised at the low level of oxygen uptake. I told him that it made sense to me because I use little oxygen when resting, which he laughed at. I told him that if I increased the amount of inhale it would alter. He assured me it wasn't possible and I asked to take the test again. This time, with bigger inhales the number sky rocketed. He kept saying it couldn't happen and could not offer an explanation. Maybe this is something to do with my dislike of SB ?
Christi	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 5:57:13 PM Hi Karl, If it is causing you discomfort, it is possible to disconnect the breath from energy movements in the body, just as it is possible to disconnect the breath from the mantra in meditation. You can set the speed of your inhale and exhale and let the energy do it's thing. You may find that the energy follows your breath, but if not, it doesn't matter. If you are comfortable following the speed of the hot current, then that's O.K. too.
karl	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 4:10:52 PM quote: Originally posted by Christi Hi Karl, Yes, you are right, meditation is the most important practice, so if time is a factor, then I would stick with what you are doing. If you are asthmatic, it is not necessary to practice full yogic breathing with SBP, or even abdominal breathing, or to slow the breath down if it creates difficulty. I'm asthmatic and I usually don't alter the breath in any way. I also leave out ujayi breathing. The important thing is the connection between the root chakra and the ajna chakra, and tracing the pathway between the two. Everything else is an optional extra. If moving through the head causes you to slow or force the breath, and that makes you uncomfortable, then I would recommend jumping with the attention from the base of the neck to the forehead. You need to be relaxed enough during the practice to be able to feel into the subtle body, otherwise it won't have much effect. Christi So, you just breath naturally? I follow the cold current up the spine with the inward breath (I don't visualise the silver thread as it just didn't work ) and the hot current back down. The cold current used to be very strong, but no longer. The hot current is very strong and my breath is locked to the speed of its sinking.
Christi	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 3:19:38 PM Hi Karl, Yes, you are right, meditation is the most important practice, so if time is a factor, then I would stick with what you are doing. If you are asthmatic, it is not necessary to practice full yogic breathing with SBP, or even abdominal breathing, or to slow the breath down if it creates difficulty. I'm asthmatic and I usually don't alter the breath in any way. I also leave out ujayi breathing. The important thing is the connection between the root chakra and the ajna chakra, and tracing the pathway between the two. Everything else is an optional extra. If moving through the head causes you to slow or force the breath, and that makes you uncomfortable, then I would recommend jumping with the attention from the base of the neck to the forehead. You need to be relaxed enough during the practice to be able to feel into the subtle body, otherwise it won't have much effect. Christi
karl	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 2:03:51 PM Time is the key reason. I do 5 mins SB, 20 mins DM, 5mins Samyama (9 sutras repeated twice each). With rest, that gives around 36mins. If I had the time available then I probably wouldn't do any more. I actually find SB hard work. I developed a type of Asthma a few years ago after some high altitude climbing combined with a bout of flu. It's under control now, however sometimes it can be brought on by the deep breathing of SB and leaves me coughing and wheezing. I have tried taking it easy, but the final path through the head always seems to make me take in a really deep breath which can almost be painful. DM is always regarded as the most important practice according to Yogani so, apart from Samyama, which has been effective, SB I have done because it was recommended. I had never really bothered about Kundalini as it always seemed to represent something a bit strange and unnecessary. I have an open mind on that, that's just how it's been up until now when you have piqued my interest with your questions. There are many things I once regarded as the preserve of the weird, which are now incorporated in my every day life with benefits. Maybe I need to look at it more closely........I draw the line at tongue snipping........well unless it proves beneficial
Christi	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 1:36:23 PM Hi Karl, Just wondering... is there any reason that you do 5 mins of SBP rather than 15 or 20? Do you do any add-ons? siddhasana, sambavi mudra, mulabanda?
Christi	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 12:56:14 PM Maybe.
karl	Posted - Feb 04 2012 : 12:25:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Christi Hi Karl, Not at all. 10 to 20 minutes of spinal breathing pranayama twice a day is a wise use of pranayama. When the kundalini energy awakens, it will do so in a manner that is safer than if you did not practice it. This is because the primary route that is purified through the practice is a safe one leading to the ajna chakra. There are people practising other forms of yoga, who are practising pranayama in a way that does not lead to a safer awakening. That is why I added the proviso, as these forums are read by many. I only do 5 minutes, so well inside the 'wise' zone. It's funny, this is quite an old thread, yet you decided to post. Maybe it's about to happen and you are there to make sure I understand what's going on