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[quote][i]Originally posted by karl[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by maheswari[/i]
[br][quote]we seem to be a bunch who are really in the same place[/quote]
so it seems[:D]
yes remebered Byron katie's the work  too ....but i find Ramana's question "who am I?" a much faster shortcut
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[:D] the answer to that question seems simple and everyone has reached the same conclusion at one time or another. Thing is, if you look in an empty cupboard, it's always empty as you might not be too surprised to discover.

I wondered about that for a long time because that is simplicity itself, he is free to offer the answer, no puzzle, he then says to do it and find out.

The answer that is first found is not an answer, it's asking a question that can only leave a blank space where an answer might be. That was always going to be the result. We use a similar question in NLP for goal setting " what won't you get if you don't do it? " the mind is sent off on a endless chase.

The question is more than its direct answer. It's the effect of the question. Problem is that it is the hardest nut to crack.  You have to stay with the question, the answer will keep repeating. Ignore it, stay lightly with the thought don't hold tight, don't completely let go. He says many times to stay with the question, so does Mooji. I too thought it like Byron Katie's questions, a form of self grounding.

Try it, stay with the question a long time, just let it rest without resistance or effort. If the answer seems to come, let it dissolve in stillness and keep at it. Then something happens, it's not an answer as such. It's an understanding. The reason why we need to properly evaluate why someone would send us to look in an empty cupboard.

You must be thoroughly grounded in stillness and be properly grounded to do this, or maybe that's the only way you can be to do it because the mind struggles to stay on it.

I had not read about it anywhere, just a nagging question about why Ramana would insist on that being the route he took.

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T O P I C R E V I E W
maheswari	Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 03:38:25 AM 2 weeks ago i realized that maheswari is a shadow.... sensing,thinking all is happening by itself...maheswari is not needed.....perceptions.thoughts are happening ...then maheswari mistakenly attributes them to "her''..to whom are they happening? to nobody...they are just happening....it is a certainty that can not be easly explained in words... so now lots of stuff are coming out...the mind keeps on playing alone.. spring cleaning is happening...all kinds of fears,holding on to things, holding on to "my identity" (from posting in ayp forums to the safety of "my" body and mind)...all is appearing... this cleansing is not new cause it happens during all spiritual practices but now it has taken a different deeper meaning....the bottom line of this new meaning is: what the heck? maheswari does not even exist! which triggers laughing as a friend told me yesterday: "Life is so beautiful, especially when it is considered a game. We take the game seriously, we respect its rules to enjoy it and make it fun, we get excited about it, but deep down we know it doesn't matter. And that what makes it so beautiful." ........... the second bottom line is that "one" should be fearless and willing to give up everything even "his" life for the sake of Truth....willing to shake off the layers of ignorance one after the other...which leads to a spiritual paradox (not really a paradox): giving up the illusory self "one" rests in the unbounded unchanging Self...
25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First)
maheswari	Posted - Aug 01 2012 : 11:44:05 AM due to my current oversensitivity to practices,a friend suggested that i try the breath meditation as per lesson 367 i have a feeling it will work very well!
maheswari	Posted - Jul 27 2012 : 1:41:18 PM
kevincann	Posted - Jul 27 2012 : 1:14:32 PM quote: Originally posted by maheswari a quick update early june i was overloading big time so i stopped all my practices early july i resumed them but very lightly (5 min SBP+10 min DM+ 10 min final relaxation) so i ended up overloading again (psychological and physical symptoms) so i stopped again all my practices last Thursday it seems my batteries are too full....no more practices for some time (maybe a long time ...one can not know in advance) this gives more free time which is good and bad at the same time it is bad if one is bored but it is good because the practitioner discovers he/she has too much attachment to his/her yogic identity...for example i am supposed to have 2 sittings ...or i am supposed to read only spiritual stuff....or i am supposed to only eat vegetarian ( i have eaten a bit of fish lately...have not eaten all kinds of meat for years)...or i am supposed to teach asanas (which lately is not exciting me that much anymore) in the end even this yogic identity is a sort of attachment...it is a play/ a lie where the ego can easily hide behind the Self has no identity whatsoever and it is totally free to choose whatever manifestation or life style it wants ! including eating meat! i feel like i am back to square one ..in the sense that it is a journey from here to here...now i am supposed to do more mundane things! all is supposed to be integrated in the One...nothing is left behind because it is not "good enough"...in the end all is perfectly valid as a manifestation of the Self When all the cleverness fades away one is left with one's true nature. Keep up the good 'not work' Kev
maheswari	Posted - Jul 25 2012 : 09:27:51 AM a quick update early june i was overloading big time so i stopped all my practices early july i resumed them but very lightly (5 min SBP+10 min DM+ 10 min final relaxation) so i ended up overloading again (psychological and physical symptoms) so i stopped again all my practices last Thursday it seems my batteries are too full....no more practices for some time (maybe a long time ...one can not know in advance) this gives more free time which is good and bad at the same time it is bad if one is bored but it is good because the practitioner discovers he/she has too much attachment to his/her yogic identity...for example i am supposed to have 2 sittings ...or i am supposed to read only spiritual stuff....or i am supposed to only eat vegetarian ( i have eaten a bit of fish lately...have not eaten all kinds of meat for years)...or i am supposed to teach asanas (which lately is not exciting me that much anymore) in the end even this yogic identity is a sort of attachment...it is a play/ a lie where the ego can easily hide behind the Self has no identity whatsoever and it is totally free to choose whatever manifestation or life style it wants ! including eating meat! i feel like i am back to square one ..in the sense that it is a journey from here to here...now i am supposed to do more mundane things! all is supposed to be integrated in the One...nothing is left behind because it is not "good enough"...in the end all is perfectly valid as a manifestation of the Self
maheswari	Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 12:57:27 PM these fears they come by waves...ie one gets periods of rest (days or weeks) then blam you get another wave of fears...nothing really specific...it is just fear in general... when these thoughts and feelings appear i autommatically find myself asking : are these thoughts true? 99.99% percent of the time these thoughts and feelings are made up cause there is no real danger....these thoguhts and feelings do not have any reality in this present moment.... after these waves of fear (sometimes pleasant sometimes unpleasant depending on the presence of inner silence or not) there is a phase of release...a phase of stopping any kind of grasping.... it is a continuous process with periods of breaks,untill all the fears are totally reviewed,revisited and checked to be totaly untrue....some deep digging is going on it is amazing to see how much the mind is the source that creates division and uneasiness...it is all made up ...off course denying the mind turmoil is no good....just letting the mind tell its stories....
miguel	Posted - Jun 24 2012 : 8:26:56 PM This initial seeing brought deep insights, profound changes and shift of prespective. But on the other hand i started to build lot of intelectual stuff and casttles in the air (difficult to see and acept then) around it, and an horrible snese of superiority and egotic behaviour... that was not very good here. After some time 100% out of it and forgetting it i clearly see the whole picture. No more mental stuff and superiority but finally i got many benefits from this risky asventure at unleashed theres no doubt. But i dont think about it now....it was an episode in the path and now life life continues as it is
maheswari	Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 05:06:44 AM quote: If I peer in the box, try to grasp what's happening, then the evolution seems to halt, true..and here is our margin of choice...here we choose to peer or not to peer
karl	Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 04:52:31 AM quote: Originally posted by maheswari a quick update...the high velocity events are back (whether at work or in private life)...all is crazy and quick....in this high velocity sometimes i dont feel i m the one talking,working,teaching,handling job problems..i just feel that it is being done through me (me ??)....in that case the mind is totally turned off...i dont know what i am doing or where i am going yet i am doing and going perfectly! ...it is very very moment by moment...i dont remember really the previous past moment and i have no clue about the next following moment ...to the extent that at the end of the day i dont remember really in details all that i have done during the day...oh i did that? wow.. there is a feeling that "i dont care" ,nothing is really my business yet i am acting perfectly...aloof yet down to earth...working talking and laughing with people.... and sometimes "i" gets back into the picture...so "i" feels threatened ,worried,not in control...the mind is agitated and having a thousand thoughts in the same time...very hard yet i am able to watch it...im able to see this craziness in the mind and let it appear and disappear... oh definitely recognise that.stage and now beyond that, automatic involvement, like food from plate to mouth but wiithout any hunger or satisfaction. Once I stopped looking for a purpose and just asked God to guide me I find I'm being guided in the weirdest ways with no idea if there is a point and not caring anyway. I'm suddenly into economics in a growing way. I never had any interest in this area. It's not a financial interest or a career interest, it's just like breathing. No reason but it's in front of me. I feel like a tiny little seed as though the Ego has receded to an extent that I'm somehow tiny in the world, insignificant a disappearing point. But the seed seems to growing outside of itself without the Ego interfering anymore it just tales a back seat and let's the seed grow out of itself and into the world without attraction. It seems so natural and unforced. Where at one time I was trying to become, it's as though I'm becoming because I stopped trying, but the becoming isn't a feeling of success, it's inspite of any feeling at all other than a calmness. A freedom to be without being. If I peer in the box, try to grasp what's happening, then the evolution seems to halt, but I have quickly learned that peeping doesn't work because it makes the ego want to interfere. Thanks for sharing M. Looks like the path is coming to you.
maheswari	Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 02:21:09 AM so when i am having a thoughts spring cleaning (ie too many thoughts rushing in) i naturally find myself asking: to whom is this thought/feeling coming? to me... who is me? is it the body? no is it the mind? no is i the reflection i see in the mirror? no it is none of all that so all day long one is dying to the little i all day long one is dropping the identification with thoughts/emotions all day long..moment by moment one is surrendering it is not easy...it is like puragatory but the benefits are very very worth it . underneath all this chaos created by the identification with thoughts/feelings (which come back with a vengeance when the ego feels that it is loosing its grip) there is something that never is affected...always the same....does not change...always silent so dear Ishta you can do whatever You want with this little i that is wrongly identifying with thoughts/emotions dear Ishta you can annihilate this little i to dust... . ps: please note that as very well explained in ayp lessons, the ego (also called mind,thoughts,feelings etc...) is not the ennemy...we dont want to kill the mind...nor do we want to become lazy on the contrary real self enquiry happens only with enough inner silence and going out and getting very active in mundane stuff...
maheswari	Posted - Jun 13 2012 : 09:11:42 AM a quick update...the high velocity events are back (whether at work or in private life)...all is crazy and quick....in this high velocity sometimes i dont feel i m the one talking,working,teaching,handling job problems..i just feel that it is being done through me (me ??)....in that case the mind is totally turned off...i dont know what i am doing or where i am going yet i am doing and going perfectly! ...it is very very moment by moment...i dont remember really the previous past moment and i have no clue about the next following moment ...to the extent that at the end of the day i dont remember really in details all that i have done during the day...oh i did that? wow.. there is a feeling that "i dont care" ,nothing is really my business yet i am acting perfectly...aloof yet down to earth...working talking and laughing with people.... and sometimes "i" gets back into the picture...so "i" feels threatened ,worried,not in control...the mind is agitated and having a thousand thoughts in the same time...very hard yet i am able to watch it...im able to see this craziness in the mind and let it appear and disappear...
Radharani	Posted - Apr 16 2012 : 11:08:19 PM you are all so very dear to me.
maheswari	Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 3:36:24 PM indeed...each one's journey is different!
emc	Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 3:33:50 PM Sounds very good! I love this forum so we can join eachothers journeys.
maheswari	Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 12:06:05 PM sounds great dear emc...all the best! in my case it is fear of loosing ...the reality (at least until now) is still the same....it seems that all kind of deeply buried fears were popping from my subconscious at high velocity..... few days ago i was seriously thinking to self pace...but since few days the fears have stopped... yesterday i got a bit emotional...cried for few minutes but quickly i moved on...the usual soft opening and cleansing nothing overwhelming...the usual learning to let go and releasing it all into stillness i am still functioning very well in daily life so it seems i am ok.....but will keep a close attention and will resort to self pacing if needed Love
emc	Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 10:23:09 AM Hm. Interesting. I recognize the increased speed, Maheswari. For me, however, things seem to go the other direction. It was like a push into another platform, and now things are sorting themselves out. I'm looking forward getting a job, I suddenly got a wonderful new partner, I'm more relaxed about what's happening, Life is getting a wonderful place, all overload symptoms are diminished or gone, I'm much more ALIVE in daily LIFE than ever. The escape to stillness/meditation/spirituality is over. Life is a pleasant place to be in. Home is here. This is home. Not only the nothingness and depths of silence. Silence has come to Life. It's living the world. You wrote: quote: the real reason is the culmination of years of practices and of dealing with life difficulties I can very much relate to that. Seems like all years of working through fears, and balancing practices are bringing fruit here now. There's so much awe and gratefulness. And everything is allowed to take its time. No rush, yet I'm amazed by the velocity with which the cleansing occurs, but it seems that the platform is stable enough for the cleaning patrol. I haven't quit the AYP practices. It's thanks to AYP and all the learning how to calibrate the self-pacing that this can happen the way it does. I'm forever grateful for Yogani and all the advice during the years and still coming.
maheswari	Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 3:21:15 PM quote: And if you look closer you see that "they" and "you" are just manifestations that happen in You as consciousness . yes i noticed that...but chose to express it as they and me because wanted to keep it simple, sometimes this kind of sharing might seem too philosophical... Love
miguel	Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 09:31:44 AM quote: now looking at people and seeing that how impersonal they are...they are not really choosing anything...they are a manifestation of consciouness ..and consciouness seems to like variety because of the variety of its manifestations from the "ugly sad" things to the "beautiful joyful" things..... And if you look closer you see that "they" and "you" are just manifestations that happen in You as consciousness."They" and "you", the "world" and "the universe" are toughts and forms also that happens in You. The conscioussness is one. All happens in you. This is an amazing and exciting realization. You are the only real thing that exists...and its not personal..its your real self...crazy
maheswari	Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 08:04:32 AM now looking at people and seeing that how impersonal they are...they are not really choosing anything...they are a manifestation of consciouness ..and consciouness seems to like variety because of the variety of its manifestations from the "ugly sad" things to the "beautiful joyful" things..... not only maheswari is impersonal but also other people are impersonal beings....so one feels relief,expanssion, happiness cause one knows that nothing is personal! even when others are wicked it is not personal! since all is impersonal,you trust and surrender more to the flow and notice that even the 'wicked,ugly stuff" have all of a sudden decreased in intensity! it is all part of Oneness....
karl	Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 04:02:20 AM I think she would prefer I returned to work, or got a business started One of the reasons I quit was a due to a realisation that money had formed a cuckoon and I was feeling less and less grounded. I wasn't rich, but there was never a question of 'can we afford it' and none of that brought any happiness at all. It seemed like looking for ways to fill the free time and compensate for the company culture I was participating in.
maheswari	Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 01:39:56 AM quote: I'm a domestic God your wife is lucky house work is very grounding
karl	Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 6:07:56 PM quote: Originally posted by maheswari so Karl i assume you dont help your wife in doing the dishes Dishwasher As I don't have a job I do all the cleaning, tidying and shopping. I'm a domestic God. not so great with the cooking.
maheswari	Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 2:50:02 PM so Karl i assume you dont help your wife in doing the dishes
karl	Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 1:25:28 PM Hi Carson, There was no need to clarify I understand that it is what you need to do. Inner Guru and all that good stuff. I just have no use for it.
CarsonZi	Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 10:00:20 AM Hi Karl quote: Originally posted by karl Carson says ' engaged in life' , I can't see how you can be other than that, you are alive and your engaged however you are engaged. You can be sitting in a cave doing zip all, or cleaning the planet from top to bottom and you are engaged. Your engaged if you are not caring for yourself or being a beauty queen. It's just madness to believe one sort of thing is different from another. You just have to do what you have to do and that's as engaged as you will ever be. When I say that it's important to stay engaged in life I'm talking about maintaining the balance between regular daily activity and spiritual practices. For me this means it's crucial to spend time everyday going to work, engaging with my daughter and picking up the dogshit (both figuratively and literally ). For the past several years my days were formatted like this; -Get up, spend 1-1.5hrs doing practices. -Go to work, spend most of my day on the forum and in self-inquiry -Come home, spend 1-1.5hrs doing practices -Play with my daughter for an hour or so -Go to the yoga studio and teach AYP classes -Come home, go to bed and do it all over again the next day The balance was WAY off and this was reflected in everything I did/said/thought. Now, after having Life give me a complete bitchslap, I've (finally) learned that going to work, doing the dishes, scrubbing the floors, eating, sleeping, mowing the lawn and shoveling the snow are just as much an important part of my practice as meditation and pranayama is. Without these balancing activities my system cannot handle spiritual practices at all. At least not right now. Hope this clarifies. Love! Carson
karl	Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 07:06:01 AM quote: Originally posted by maheswari quote: One size fits all ? Did I imply that? It certainly was not intentional. no dear Karl...you did not imply that....i was just afferming what Yogani said how each traveler's path is different... nice ship analogy sorry for any unintended misunderstanding Different boat same sea