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Stillpool	Posted - Feb 12 2012 : 4:54:43 PM Since I started practicing DM, which has been a number of months now, I have begun to have panic attacks. I experience uncontrollable anxiety that at times makes me certain I am having a heart attack and at other times certain that I am going stark raving mad. Like I have no control over my sanity. This has happened probably four or five times since they began last summer. Today was the first time that, as soon as I came out of a near blissful meditation, when I opened my eyes I immediately went into panic mode, rapid heartbeat, shaky legs, a feeling of suffocation and fear that I was loosing my body and sanity. This lasted about five or ten minutes then I felt fine, very energetic as a matter of fact. But I'm tired of the anxiety. If I stopped meditating would it go away? Am I just one of those people who should avoid such deep meditation? Or am I not getting enough strenuous activity between meditations? Can anyone help? Thanks for listening.
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Shanti	Posted - Mar 13 2012 : 9:51:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Stillpool Just to be sure... When meditating, do I think the mantra once, letting it go to stillness, and come back to it when I'm aware that I've forgotten it, or do I repeat it over and over again? thanks Repeat it: http://www.aypsite.org/13.html gently introduce the thought �I AM� and begin to repeat it easily and effortlessly in your mind. If your mind wanders off into other thoughts, you will eventually realize this has happened. Don't be concerned about it. It is natural. When you realize you are not repeating the mantra, gently go back to it. This is all you have to do. Easily repeat the mantra silently inside. When you realize you are not thinking it, then easily come back to it. The goal is not to stay on it. The goal is to follow the simple procedure of thinking the mantra, losing it, and coming back to it when you find you have lost it. Do not resist if the mantra tends to become less distinct. Thinking the mantra does not have to be with clear pronunciation. I AM can be experienced at many levels in your mind and nervous system. When you come back to it, come back to a level that is comfortable, not straining for either a clear or fuzzy pronunciation.
Stillpool	Posted - Mar 13 2012 : 9:43:38 PM Ugh! My thoughts settle for a while, my meditation deepens, then out of nowhere everything goes off again. Just to be sure... When meditating, do I think the mantra once, letting it go to stillness, and come back to it when I'm aware that I've forgotten it, or do I repeat it over and over again? thanks
Stillpool	Posted - Mar 06 2012 : 8:02:11 PM Thanks JDH. Thanks Tom. I've thought a lot about it and I'm just gonna keep diggin' that hole where I'm at with DM. Those pesky thoughts just keep pulling me away from my original purpose
tom	Posted - Mar 06 2012 : 11:59:58 AM quote: Originally posted by Stillpool I have a friend who does Transcendental Meditation and has suggested I learn the technique. Says it works really well with anxiety etc. I was wondering if anyone knew the relationship between TM and Deep Meditation, similarities, differences, etc. They don't reveal much about the technique, other than that it's supposed to be great. Anyone familiar with it? I know of different mantras but not of the technique. Is it worth learning or should I stay with DM? Thanks I learned TM as a youth, later learned NSR and then DM. It's the same technique. Only the mantras used differ. And the monetary price.
gatito	Posted - Mar 05 2012 : 1:57:38 PM quote: Originally posted by maheswari oups i am caught gossiping! dear gatito the link you provided gives pages can not be found! Love http://www.non-dualitypress.com/sam...e_Sample.pdf
maheswari	Posted - Mar 05 2012 : 1:39:41 PM oups i am caught gossiping! dear gatito the link you provided gives pages can not be found! Love
gatito	Posted - Mar 05 2012 : 1:31:51 PM quote: Originally posted by maheswari quote: the visual was exactly the sae as yours. We had identical marks through out. One of the reasons I went back for a second go. I don't mean they were near, they were identical which made me wonder if there was something wrong with the test. it seems we are both stuck at lesson 325...that is why we have the same results....poor Gatito... M and James(from the Tropics) Hopefully, this will help you to move on from your stuckness. http://www.non-dualitypress.com/sam...e_Sample.pdf
JDH	Posted - Mar 02 2012 : 11:59:33 AM TM and DM are nearly the same. The core idea of picking up the mantra and coming back to it when you are off... that is the same in each. Maybe somebody will chime in with the difference between the two, but they are more similar than different.
karl	Posted - Mar 02 2012 : 03:20:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Stillpool I have a friend who does Transcendental Meditation and has suggested I learn the technique. Says it works really well with anxiety etc. I was wondering if anyone knew the relationship between TM and Deep Meditation, similarities, differences, etc. They don't reveal much about the technique, other than that it's supposed to be great. Anyone familiar with it? I know of different mantras but not of the technique. Is it worth learning or should I stay with DM? Thanks I would stick with DM, it's an active meditation and clears the nervous system, but the Guru is in you, so go with what feels right.
Stillpool	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 8:44:16 PM I have a friend who does Transcendental Meditation and has suggested I learn the technique. Says it works really well with anxiety etc. I was wondering if anyone knew the relationship between TM and Deep Meditation, similarities, differences, etc. They don't reveal much about the technique, other than that it's supposed to be great. Anyone familiar with it? I know of different mantras but not of the technique. Is it worth learning or should I stay with DM? Thanks
karl	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 3:28:37 PM oh dear, we are not very bright but we can lift heavy things
maheswari	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 1:56:14 PM quote: the visual was exactly the sae as yours. We had identical marks through out. One of the reasons I went back for a second go. I don't mean they were near, they were identical which made me wonder if there was something wrong with the test. it seems we are both stuck at lesson 325...that is why we have the same results....poor Gatito... M and James(from the Tropics)
karl	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 1:49:03 PM quote: Originally posted by maheswari the first thing that appeals is better imho cause it is spontaneous ...the mind did not have time to interfere...i was spontaneous with a pinch of thoughts Karl, you did not mention your auditory and visual results?... or are you only concerned with balancing your past excessive logic mode the visual was exactly the sae as yours. We had identical marks through out. One of the reasons I went back for a second go. I don't mean they were near, they were identical which made me wonder if there was something wrong with the test. I wasn't concerned about the brain development, only as an explanation for the cramping hand, and then I wondered if it could be a cause of anxiety and panic attacks. We all have a preference for either Audio, visual or Kineasthetic sensing. This doesn't seem to be showing that, instead it's showing the balance of visual to Audio. There isn't anything strange in that result, putting learning preferences aside, visual is the most highly developed sense in humans, followed by audio and Kineasthetic. I haven't mentioned Gustatory or olfactory as these are greatly reduced communication senses. My learning preference is strongly audio, followed by visual and was a very low K score. However I worked on that some time ago and improved it a lot.
maheswari	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 12:57:53 PM the first thing that appeals is better imho cause it is spontaneous ...the mind did not have time to interfere...i was spontaneous with a pinch of thoughts Karl, you did not mention your auditory and visual results?... or are you only concerned with balancing your past excessive logic mode
karl	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 08:57:08 AM It says there are no correct answers. I just went through them without paying much detailed attention. I had another crack at it after M got exactly the same results I did. This time I didn't choose the first thing that appealed and was more discriminate and the results went down to 33/67. So, it has to be done with little thought going on.
Etherfish	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 08:11:24 AM Thanks Karl, I got left 47%, right 52% Hmmm i'm missing something Ha! and auditory and visual equal. Several of the questions i felt were ambiguous because the question didn't have enough information to correctly choose an answer. I saw more than one answer depending on the context of the question, which wasn't given. For instance, one answer was based on visual, another auditory, both correct, so I had to pick at random. So my auditory and visual numbers could be wrong.
maheswari	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 04:30:04 AM i did the test...me too i am 50% left and 50% right auditory 25% and visual 75% plus the analysis of my personality is quite accurate....
karl	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 03:58:03 AM quote: Originally posted by maheswari quote: So I decided to do a check test. A few years ago I carried out a similar test which gives an indication of the dominant side of the brain. In my case this was the left ( logic side ) by a ratio of 75/25. No surprise really. This time around the results had altered to 50/50. that is so intresting...is it medical test? No, it's a physchological test that uses patterns. I used the same one last time. http://mindmedia.com/braintest.html
maheswari	Posted - Mar 01 2012 : 01:30:47 AM quote: So I decided to do a check test. A few years ago I carried out a similar test which gives an indication of the dominant side of the brain. In my case this was the left ( logic side ) by a ratio of 75/25. No surprise really. This time around the results had altered to 50/50. that is so intresting...is it medical test?
karl	Posted - Feb 29 2012 : 10:01:18 PM quote: Originally posted by Etherfish Just gently come back to the mantra. And it doesn't have to be distinct, any form is OK! I was emotionally abused as a child, and I used to have dreams where I was constantly scared that something was after me, but it was dark and I didn't know what it was, or why it was after me. I wonder if panic attacks could have a similar reason? I think that was probably due to my storing all the anger I had from being abused. My abuser was angry, and i didn't like it, so I decided to not be like that. So I hid all my own anger. Anger and fear are closely tied to each other. Just a more intense, negative thought pattern, but it can have medical causes. It's an interesting thing because both sides of the brain apparently cease to communicate during an attack. It's well known that meditation reduces, or completely eradicates it. A few days ago I posted about my cramped right hand and got a bit interested in the potential for it to be connected to the left brain. Maybe, during meditation this was being kept in check in some way. So I decided to do a check test. A few years ago I carried out a similar test which gives an indication of the dominant side of the brain. In my case this was the left ( logic side ) by a ratio of 75/25. No surprise really. This time around the results had altered to 50/50. Left and right are now equal. I don't say this is anything but a rough check, however it is certainly the case that the intuitive senses have increased markedly. To such a degree that I can see through people as though their nature was simply a coat floating on a central core, much like electrons around a nucleus. This confirms that some aspect has changed and in my very unscientific experiment this points to a more developed right side. I think there may be a connection to the severity of the attacks when this imbalance is present. It might be that those with a less developed left brain are even more susceptible?
Etherfish	Posted - Feb 29 2012 : 7:06:18 PM Just gently come back to the mantra. And it doesn't have to be distinct, any form is OK! I was emotionally abused as a child, and I used to have dreams where I was constantly scared that something was after me, but it was dark and I didn't know what it was, or why it was after me. I wonder if panic attacks could have a similar reason? I think that was probably due to my storing all the anger I had from being abused. My abuser was angry, and i didn't like it, so I decided to not be like that. So I hid all my own anger. Anger and fear are closely tied to each other.
Stillpool	Posted - Feb 29 2012 : 6:21:00 PM First of all, I'd like once again to thank everyone for their very helpful replies. However, instead of taking most of the good advice here, I kept meditating. I don't know, my intuition (inner teacher?) kept pulling me back to the practice. Something inside me knew good things were happening. Well, the anxiety is still there, but not as strong. During my last attack, which came up out of a profound stillness during my meditation, as if someone were putting a pillow over my face, I didn't resist. I stopped thinking about what was happening and just FELT what was going on. A crushing energy was present in my heart, but as I felt it without resistance, it began softening. It's kind of embarrassing, but I started crying. Don't know why. But something in that anxiety became extremely hurt and vulnerable and warm and soft. Needy is a good word. And instead of denying this energy its existence, I embraced it. I have felt so much better since. And my meditation is deep. So, I have a question. A couple of times, during meditation, the mantra and my thoughts have become so fuzzy that they aren't really distinguishable, more like a kind of static, but underneath and even in the midst of this static, is so much bliss, I truly mean an indescribable feeling. Boundlessness maybe? But the thoughts are still there, not some pristine silence like I expected. The mantra is there but it isn't, if that makes sense. My question is, do I give in to this pull toward bliss, letting all go, or do I come back to the mantra distinctly? Also, is anyone familiar with Centering Prayer? Is it like DM? There is a church group here that meets for CP one day a week here and I was thinking about attending. Thanks all!
tonightsthenight	Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 10:47:18 AM I had severe panic attacks for years preceding the spontaneous k. Debilitating and brutal. There was absolutely nothing to do. Pure hell. In retrospect, it was just part of the awakening process. The nervous system opening up too much before you are ready for it. Sorry to say, but there is nothing you can do except to learn to overcome the fear. Are you ultra sensitive? You may be one of the cursed individuals :(
Etherfish	Posted - Feb 13 2012 : 10:56:12 PM Yes, I don't have kids, but I have brought up anger and have protected other people from it. I think that is good advice whether you practice yoga or not. I associate with non-yoga people who have serious anger problems and I WISH they would meditate. I have brought out much anger I had suppressed and didn't know was there. I am so glad to get rid of it - there have been many threads talking about this. I'm probably not finished yet - it's amazing how much there is. I think I am an extreme case. I have found silence; my inner guru easily answers my questions and guides me incredibly well, and yet I am still occasionally bringing out suppressed anger and other emotions. Hopefully you younger people don't have as much, but meditation is definitely the answer. I have tried many different methods, including super long meditation every day, and nothing worked as well as AYP. I'm even a sloth when it comes to spiritual stuff - I skip sessions, don't care enough; often forget bhakti etc., and it still works!
JDH	Posted - Feb 13 2012 : 10:54:27 PM One more thing I remember from the panic attack days is that I began to develop fear toward anything that I associated with an attack. Like any activity or environment that was present during an attack. I'd look at that, and think to myself, "I can just avoid this or that, maybe it was the source of the attack." Well eventually I was just avoiding and fearing EVERYTHING. Even now, 5 years past my last panic attack, I still do not know what caused them. By its very definition, it is a sourceless fear. So, keep living your life freely.