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Lesson T46 - Dialog on Tantra Practice
Date: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:09 pm
New Members: It is recommended you read from the beginning of this tantra yoga archive, as
previous lessons are prerequisite to this one. The first lesson is, "What is tantra yoga?"
Q1: I don't fully understand vajroli even after reading the AYP tantra lesson and the
forum thread on it.
At the moment I am avoiding having orgasm during sexual activities and when I get close I
simply hold it in by using some (self invented) variation of mulabandha. During
intercourse I also spinal breathe and pull the sexual energy up into my upper channels
because it feels so much better than normal sex. Is this vajroli?
Is there something else I should be doing to maximize my spiritual transformation?
Sometimes I slip and have the occasional orgasm and am always surprised when I still feel
flow in my spinal cord as I thought I would feel a loss of energy or diminished ecstatic
conductivity, but this hasn't been the case. Why is this, and how often is it ok to have
an orgasm? Maybe I am being too strict?
A1: It is not necessary to be so strict. Your intention (bhakti) will carry you forward in
tantra. Sounds like you are making good progress. If you use holdback and blocking
(assuming daily sitting practices are going on also) the process of tantra will continue
automatically. Orgasm with blocking is like orgasm with vajroli -- same effect, and much
Vajroli on the gross physical level is learning to suck back up through the penis into the
bladder using a combination of mulabandha/asvini and uddiyana/nauli (creating a negative
pressure in the bladder). This gets interpreted as a macho thing in much of the yogic lore
-- sexual power and all that. But vajroli is much more than this. Much less, physically
speaking. With the rise of ecstatic conductivity, vajroli become an ongoing micro-movement
where sexual essences are continuously processed upward through the neuro-biology. The
methods mentioned in the first paragraph above will give rise to this without having to
learn the gross physical vajroli. This is the message given in the lessons and the recent
forum postings. You are having some experience with this already. If you are sensing
energy rising up in orgasm or at any other time, you can be sure that subtle vajroli is
coming up. It is part of the rise of ecstatic conductivity. Eventually, it will be with
you at all times. This is ongoing ecstatic conductivity. Combine that naturally with
rising inner silence, and you have the enlightenment equation. End result -- unshakable
inner silence, ecstatic bliss and outpouring divine love!
Q2: Thanks for clearing that up. So it is ok to have the occasional orgasm then? I am
confused then. I thought the goal, from reading the AYP site, was ultimately to never have
an orgasm? I gathered that if you ever got too close, you were to simply hold it in or use
the blocking techniques if you really got into trouble. I thought that if you had orgasms
during sex, ecstatic conductivity would diminish. Could you possibly shed some light on
where am I going wrong with this line of thinking?
A2: Orgasm once every week or two is not going to hurt you, especially if you are using
blocking. Eventually sex becomes internalized, but that has more to do with practices than
having an iron will. Inner sex becomes more enjoyable than outer sex, so we are drawn to
it, and that is what drives the transformation. Even then, outer sex remains an option.
You have the right spirit of it in your thinking. Just don't be too hard on yourself,
creating stress about it. It is a gradual process of transformation, and forcing it is not
necessarily the best thing. If you follow your bhakti, favor your practices and take it
easy, it will happen. Just like it is okay to have thoughts in meditation, it is okay to
be human in our sexuality. As long as we know to favor the practice we are doing, we will
be fine in the long run. In time, it gets a lot easier and sex is no longer such a
bugaboo. It gradually becomes an inner fountain of ecstatic bliss, and that is much more
interesting than carnal sex. Then it is flowing out to everyone in the form of healing
energy and good deeds. As you know, that is one of the major themes that emerges in the
Secrets of Wilder story.
Sex turns into ecstatic bliss and then turns into something that can benefit the entire
world. Pretty spectacular, isn't it? It is real... and definitely worth doing, no matter
how long it takes... It does take some time.
Q3: OK, I think I have it. The only problem is I have been enjoying not having orgasms. I
find I like the way I feel more after sex. I find we are having a lot more sex and on some
occasions the energy has come up to my heart and face and it felt so euphoric, loving and
sensual, way beyond orgasm. I thought that this experience was the ultimate goal. My
girlfriend felt it too, though she is not into yoga like me. It does help however to know
to not be too strict about it and think I am setting myself back when I do succumb to an
The only point I wanted to clarify with what you last wrote was when I do have the
occasional orgasm should I block those too and not let them go all the way? Sorry, not
trying to be thick headed here, I just want to understand for going forward.
A3: It sounds like a very good thing you and your girlfriend have going there, especially
if you are both motivated to continue in relations that way over time. It is spiritual
practice. As for blocking or not blocking orgasms, you will do yourself an energy favor if
you can do it. But if it does not happen and we are talking about a once a week or two
occurrence, don't lose any sleep over it. The long tantric cultivations of sexual energy
before orgasm will more than make up for it. Enjoy!
Q4: Thanks for your patience and explaining. That helps a lot.
A4: It is my pleasure to help. This is what AYP is all about -- the process of
self-discovery and moving with increasing confidence into stable self-directed practice
that will produce profound results.
The guru is in you.
instructions on the methods of tantra in relation to the broad scope of yoga
practices and the enlightenment process,
see the AYP Tantra book.
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